F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

[waldo]

This meme of yours is truly desperate.

the desperation is truly yours as you steadfastly refuse to respond to the repeated requests for you to simply detail rationale behind LockMart self-labeling the F-35 a '5th gen' aircraft. You've ignored the requests... you've deflected the requests with your bluster over APA. This should be an easy freebee for ya - is there a problem, for you?

[waldo]

Marketing tool perhaps?

http://theconversation.com/the-f-35-jsf-what-is-a-fifth-generation-fighter-aircraft-26088

absolutely nothing more than a LockMart marketing ploy... your linked article quite rightly showcases the LockMart "5th gen" scam!

[Derek 2.0]

the desperation is truly yours as you steadfastly refuse to respond to the repeated requests for you to simply detail rationale behind LockMart self-labeling the F-35 a '5th gen' aircraft. You've ignored the requests... you've deflected the requests with your bluster over APA. This should be an easy freebee for ya - is there a problem, for you?

No desperation at all, for its usage is common parlance for aircraft of a common technological generation……….Used by industry and end users alike…….That you choose not to accept this is all on you, and I’ll refrain from debating the point further.

[waldo]

common parlance!!! Yes indeedee... thanks to the LockMart marketing machine, it is used widely whenever the F-35 is referred to... as a meaningless catchphrase! One you simply refuse to, as you say, "discuss further". Yes, most certainly, that APA graphic matrix is an inconvenient truth for you to deal with.

why no less than the Canadian Auditor General's report summed it up quite succintly:

"Fifth generation capability — Fighter jets that, according to manufacturers, incorporate the most modern technologies, such as stealth, advanced radar, and integrated avionics. There is no accepted or objective definition of fifth generation capability.
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. It is important to note that the term “fifth generation” is not a description of an operational requirement (by National Defence and Public Works & Government Services Canada"

[bush_cheney2004]

Meet the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter...a Canadian jobs program that flies:

[waldo]

Meet the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter...a Canadian jobs program that flies:

it flies! It flies!!! What else does it do? C'mon... step up and showcase those results from (watered down) operational testing! While you're at it, why not go where the head cheerleader refuses to go... step up and advise just what makes the JSFail a LockMart self-declared 5th gen aircraft. Sure you can!

[On Guard for Thee]

Meet the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter...a Canadian jobs program that flies:

We get the same deal from Boeing for something that has already proven it flies. Operationally that is.

[bush_cheney2004]

Super Hornets have been available for quite some time...hundreds have been built...but none for Canada, which prefers "vintage" Hornets because there are no more car payments.

[On Guard for Thee]

oh look! An attempted Canada slam... that's most unusual for you! But wait - are you saying buying Super Hornets is being considered by Canada? Please share your info in that regard. Nice touch with the most juvenile of pics added! Well done, sir.

Perhaps through that window is a link to the most recent report from the independant panel of experts that Harper seems to be trying to hide. Who'd a thunk it was there?

[waldo]

Super Hornets have been available for quite some time...hundreds have been built...but none for Canada, which prefers "vintage" Hornets because there are no more car payments.

good on ya for advocating an alternative to the failed F-35!

[On Guard for Thee]

Super Hornets have been available for quite some time...hundreds have been built...but none for Canada, which prefers "vintage" Hornets because there are no more car payments.

What? The other day you had it that they weren't even operational yet. Make up your mind sir.

[Moonbox]

Canada is too miserly to even buy Super Hornets...round and round and round she goes...where it stops nobody knows.

The amount of effort you put into mocking Canada/Canadians is getting to be obsessive/sad. When you start adding lolCats photos here to support your trolling, it starts to look personal. What's the matter? Did a mean Canadian kid call you a name when you were a widdle boy? Did a girlfriend run off on you with a Canuck? Whatever it is, all of Canada is SORRY.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Whatever it is, all of Canada is SORRY.

Don't be sorry....it is the natural order of things 'round here, and the least I can do in return for such enthusiastic 'murka JSF program bashing.

Thank you for your kind interest in American tactical fighter aircraft and all the ways we blow money on things that you think should/could be better spent elsewhere.

No matter what, rest assured that we will always be here for your war fighting needs when the always entertaining procurement process eventually comes to a conclusion, be it replacements for the CF-188 Hornet, rotary winged aircraft, heavy/medium airlift, or a wide variety of ordnance and munitions to teach the bad guys a lesson. We want to continue the long partnership with Canada for things that deliver a big BOOM !

[On Guard for Thee]

The amount of effort you put into mocking Canada/Canadians is getting to be obsessive/sad. When you start adding lolCats photos here to support your trolling, it starts to look personal. What's the matter? Did a mean Canadian kid call you a name when you were a widdle boy? Did a girlfriend run off on you with a Canuck? Whatever it is, all of Canada is SORRY.

Whatever it was I don't feel sorry at all. But we do know who we should feel sorry for, n'est pas?

[waldo]

The amount of effort you put into mocking Canada/Canadians is getting to be obsessive/sad. When you start adding lolCats photos here to support your trolling, it starts to look personal. What's the matter? Did a mean Canadian kid call you a name when you were a widdle boy? Did a girlfriend run off on you with a Canuck? Whatever it is, all of Canada is SORRY.

it truly begs the guestion as to what motivates someone to so dedicate such time and energy! Truly a sad reflection on a most insecure and ultra-sensitive board presence... one that quite literally shouts out for attention and response with each attempted Canada slam/denigration.

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[bush_cheney2004]

This Canadian is thinking BIG....F-22

Canada’s fighter-jet procurement efforts, as outlined in the 2008 Canada First Defence Strategy, have not been as successful as planned.

The F-35 program delays, the substantial increase in estimated unit cost, and constraints on the jet’s fighting abilities, all show the necessity of changing the procurement mindset. Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach to fighter-jet procurement, we need to consider buying a reduced number of F-35s supplemented by purchases of another fifth-generation aircraft: the F-22.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Opinion+Canada/10080089/story.html

[waldo]

has the reason the F-22 was canned gone away?

[On Guard for Thee]

This Canadian is thinking BIG....F-22

Canada’s fighter-jet procurement efforts, as outlined in the 2008 Canada First Defence Strategy, have not been as successful as planned.

The F-35 program delays, the substantial increase in estimated unit cost, and constraints on the jet’s fighting abilities, all show the necessity of changing the procurement mindset. Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach to fighter-jet procurement, we need to consider buying a reduced number of F-35s supplemented by purchases of another fifth-generation aircraft: the F-22.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Opinion+Canada/10080089/story.html

Well as the F35 metrics continue to be downgraded we now know we need something to hold hands with it. It and it's puny little hot burning single engine.

[bush_cheney2004]

Now that this joke is properly set up.....thoughts of a Canadian F-22 raises this already comical procurement farce to a whole new level. But it is consistent with any diversion that delays making an actual decision. Won't happen because F-22 FMS sales would cost billions to set up.

[waldo]

It and it's puny little hot burning single engine.

big update today!!! They're allowing the 20 test F-35s to fly from 3 up to 6 hours... meanwhile all non-test prototypes (the other ~75) remain saddled with the same original flight restrictions. Still no word, still quiet on all fronts as to the actual cause of that engine blow-up... now almost 2 months back! Big time criticism coming forward that the blow-up "problem" wasn't found during the 'engineering development test' phase... suggestive, perhaps, of a real engine design issue. Oh my!

[waldo]

comical procurement farce to a whole new level.

suggest you point your comical wand toward the U.S. procurement farce... contrast the actual numbers of planes coming off the production line versus appropriations funding... make sure to account for sequestration and, of course, concurrency impacts in the absolute process failure to 'test during build'!

[On Guard for Thee]

big update today!!! They're allowing the 20 test F-35s to fly from 3 up to 6 hours... meanwhile all non-test prototypes (the other ~75) remain saddled with the same original flight restrictions. Still no word, still quiet on all fronts as to the actual cause of that engine blow-up... now almost 2 months back! Big time criticism coming forward that the blow-up "problem" wasn't found during the 'engineering development test' phase... suggestive, perhaps, of a real engine design issue. Oh my!

Jeez. They redesigned the engine back in '08 or so I seem to recall because of the same type of problem. Thermal creep, and apparently they didn't get rid of it although as you say the results aren't in (or being divulged) from the latest blow up but if I was a betting man....

[waldo]

negotiations said to be 'back on' between India and Dassault for 126 Rafale jets... "Under the proposed contract, 18 Rafales would be supplied to the Indian Air Force by 2015 in fly-away condition, while the remaining 108 would be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in India under transfer of technology agreements." ..... much like what appears to be a part of the Dassault offer to Canada; i.e., Canadian resident manufacturing with full technology transfer.

[Derek 2.0]

This Canadian is thinking BIG....F-22

Canada’s fighter-jet procurement efforts, as outlined in the 2008 Canada First Defence Strategy, have not been as successful as planned.

The F-35 program delays, the substantial increase in estimated unit cost, and constraints on the jet’s fighting abilities, all show the necessity of changing the procurement mindset. Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach to fighter-jet procurement, we need to consider buying a reduced number of F-35s supplemented by purchases of another fifth-generation aircraft: the F-22.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Opinion+Canada/10080089/story.html

About as credible as a “Super Arrow” based off of the failed YF-23…

[Derek 2.0]

negotiations said to be 'back on' between India and Dassault for 126 Rafale jets... "Under the proposed contract, 18 Rafales would be supplied to the Indian Air Force by 2015 in fly-away condition, while the remaining 108 would be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in India under transfer of technology agreements." ..... much like what appears to be a part of the Dassault offer to Canada; i.e., Canadian resident manufacturing with full technology transfer.

What Canadian manufacturer? And of course the French will give them full technology transfer; the Rafale is a near 30-year-old design…….