F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

[Derek 2.0]

hey now! If ya ain't buyin sumthin superior... then buy sumthin inferior... like the vapourware F-35!

So you feel the Trudeau (the elder) Liberal selection of our current Hornet fleet was the wrong choice?

[bush_cheney2004]

F-16 "aggressor squadron" aircraft at Eielson AFB haven't move to another base yet.....look Ma...only one engine !!

Edited August 7, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Derek 2.0]

F-16 "aggressor squadron" at Eielson AFB haven't move to another base yet.....look Ma...only one engine !!

Don't they know that single engine aircraft aren't safe in the North?

It appears Norway has also made the same mistake:

And will repeat it with the F-35!!!!

Edited August 7, 2014 by Derek 2.0

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't they know that single engine aircraft aren't safe in the North?

It appears Norway has also made the same mistake:

Surely a major blunder...what were they thinking ? Multi-engine aircraft are so much safer and never go down in the North.

[waldo]

single enginepslooza snooze fest!

[waldo]

So you feel the Trudeau (the elder) Liberal selection of our current Hornet fleet was the wrong choice?

you mean that fully open competition that was held... that one? So you feel that selection was the right choice? Does your highlighting the government of the day add any particular impetus to your agenda?

[Derek 2.0]

And not the Danes:

The skies over Greenland’s western coast will be alive with the sound of afterburners this week, as two Danish F-16 fighter jets take to the wing for exercises to prepare that country’s air force for “future missions in the Arctic”, the Greenland and Danish governments announced today.

“The flights are a part of activities being carried out in connection with an on-going study of the Danish military’s mission readiness in the Arctic,” Naalakkersuit, Greenland’s government, said in a statement.

[Derek 2.0]

you mean that fully open competition that was held... that one? So you feel that selection was the right choice? Does your highlighting the government of the day add any particular impetus to your agenda?

Yes, that one, when the Trudeau Liberals didn't select the superior F-15 Eagle......You appear all pent up on Air Superiority types...

[waldo]

too costly; Liberals of that day were, apparently, considerate of the taxpayer dollar in regards requirements versus expenditure - go figure, hey Harper Conservative supporters!

but really, c'mon... I'm quite taken with your forever troting out the same old tired line about the F-35 eventually replacing all other jets, from all other countries. So who is left holding the so-called "air superiority" card... certainly no JSFail partner nations, hey? What was the point of Canada buying the flying F-35 butterball, anyway?

[Derek 2.0]

too costly; Liberals of that day were, apparently, considerate of the taxpayer dollar in regards requirements versus expenditure - go figure, hey Harper Conservative supporters!

So your concerns of a lack of an air superiority type being selected, which entailed a measure of reliance upon American F-15 Eagles to provide air supremacy, by the Liberals doesn’t really keep you up at night? I'm shocked!!!!!

but really, c'mon... I'm quite taken with your forever troting out the same old tired line about the F-35 eventually replacing all other jets, from all other countries. So who is left holding the so-called "air superiority" card... certainly no JSFail partner nations, hey? What was the point of Canada buying the flying F-35 butterball, anyway?

I never suggested that it would replace all other types........The Americans will replace their current air superiority types, the F-22, F-15C and F-15E Strike Eagle (and the Super Hornet) with a 6th generation type in the early 2030s.......

[On Guard for Thee]

So your concerns of a lack of an air superiority type being selected, which entailed a measure of reliance upon American F-15 Eagles to provide air supremacy, by the Liberals doesn’t really keep you up at night? I'm shocked!!!!!

I never suggested that it would replace all other types........The Americans will replace their current air superiority types, the F-22, F-15C and F-15E Strike Eagle (and the Super Hornet) with a 6th generation type in the early 2030s.......

Hey, nobody really knows what a "5th generation" is supposed to be and you're already on the 6th?

[Derek 2.0]

Hey, nobody really knows what a "5th generation" is supposed to be and you're already on the 6th?

Don't confuse your ignorance with the real world aerospace R&D......

[On Guard for Thee]

Don't confuse your ignorance with the real world aerospace R&D......

And don't display yours by selling out to LM advertising.

[Derek 2.0]

And don't display yours by selling out to LM advertising.

I'm not......My views are squarely based on the shared views of all the nations involved in the program…….the F-35 is the future and will be the mainstay of these nations armed forces into the decades ahead……..only the ignorant, such as yourself, would favour 20+ year old designs, like the Super Hornet, to meet the requirements of a modern air force out to the 2040s & 50s……….simply put, what you’re advocating with this approach is akin to an air force today operating aircraft like this:

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[On Guard for Thee]

I'm not......My views are squarely based on the shared views of all the nations involved in the program…….the F-35 is the future and will be the mainstay of these nations armed forces into the decades ahead……..only the ignorant, such as yourself, would favour 20+ year old designs, like the Super Hornet, to meet the requirements of a modern air force out to the 2040s & 50s……….simply put, what you’re advocating with this approach is akin to an air force today operating aircraft like this:

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Can you show us a picture of the latest "bomb truck" with the smoke coming out the arse end after the hot section blew up on takeoff, or would that be being ignorant to ask?

[Derek 2.0]

Can you show us a picture of the latest "bomb truck" with the smoke coming out the arse end after the hot section blew up on takeoff, or would that be being ignorant to ask?

Far too ignorant.........Fore this continued failed meme would have seen your Super Hornet abandoned in the 1990s after it's initial engine troubles during development..........

[On Guard for Thee]

Far too ignorant.........Fore this continued failed meme would have seen your Super Hornet abandoned in the 1990s after it's initial engine troubles during development..........

Take a look at the huge differences in design "snags and setbacks" of your "bomb truck" vis a vis the SuperHornet. Read the stats and weap. The Hornet is actually.......in service!

[Derek 2.0]

Take a look at the huge differences in design "snags and setbacks" of your "bomb truck" vis a vis the SuperHornet. Read the stats and weap. The Hornet is actually.......in service!

Take a look at the actual developments in technology involved in the Super Hornet "vis a vis" the F-35 and ask yourself why the Super Hornet line is closing and the two sole operators will start retiring their fleets at the end of the next decade........and you want the RCAF to operate a "bomb truck" like the Super Hornet into the 2040-50s timeframe? Why is that? Why does no other military share your ignorant view that the Super Hornet "bomb truck" will be viable towards the middle of this century?

[On Guard for Thee]

Take a look at the actual developments in technology involved in the Super Hornet "vis a vis" the F-35 and ask yourself why the Super Hornet line is closing and the two sole operators will start retiring their fleets at the end of the next decade........and you want the RCAF to operate a "bomb truck" like the Super Hornet into the 2040-50s timeframe? Why is that? Why does no other military share your ignorant view that the Super Hornet "bomb truck" will be viable towards the middle of this century?

I guess that's why orders for Super Hornets are expanding in order to bridge the lack of showing by the 35. And by the way, nobody ever called the Hornet a bomb truck. The F 35 earned that name all by itself.

[Derek 2.0]

I guess that's why orders for Super Hornets are expanding in order to bridge the lack of showing by the 35. And by the way, nobody ever called the Hornet a bomb truck. The F 35 earned that name all by itself.

Super Hornet orders are "expanding"? So that's why Boeing is closing the line...........And nobody called the Super Hornet a bomb truck?

You do know which aircraft it replaced in USN and RAAF service right?

[On Guard for Thee]

I will admit it was a valiant effort by LM to try to make a "one size fit's all" machine, but the technology just isn't there. It's like trying to make one airframe that can do the job of a Beaver, a Learjet, and a CH 47 all at the same time. You end up with something that can't fulfill any role well at a huge cost. But it may work if they partner the bomb truck with an F 22 if it ever happens to have to go into the real world.

[Derek 2.0]

I will admit it was a valiant effort by LM to try to make a "one size fit's all" machine, but the technology just isn't there. It's like trying to make one airframe that can do the job of a Beaver, a Learjet, and a CH 47 all at the same time. You end up with something that can't fulfill any role well at a huge cost. But it may work if they partner the bomb truck with an F 22 if it ever happens to have to go into the real world.

The technology isn't there?

F-35B IOC with the Marines is next year.......the F-35A the following year....and the F-35C with the Navy several years after that..........You're on the wrong side of reality..........sorry

[On Guard for Thee]

The technology isn't there?

F-35B IOC with the Marines is next year.......the F-35A the following year....and the F-35C with the Navy several years after that..........You're on the wrong side of reality..........sorry

The reality is the F 35 is a decade behind sked, billions over budget, and the people who know it (outside of Lockmart drones) call it a bomb truck. The thing to be sorry about is if Harper proceeds to throw more good money after bad on this project.

[bush_cheney2004]

For years, Canada's CF-188s couldn't fulfill several roles for NATO until upgraded for IFF, datalink, and targeting...so the "bomb truck" F-35 will be a definite change and improvement from the loonie pinching days of old.

[GostHacked]

For years, Canada's CF-188s couldn't fulfill several roles for NATO until upgraded for IFF, datalink, and targeting...so the "bomb truck" F-35 will be a definite change and improvement from the loonie pinching days of old.

Yeah so good that the F-18 is the kit being used to bomb ISIS. Why no F-22 or F-35s? Hmmm?