Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 again with this "championed" nonsense! You know I've said many times, attention should be put toward upgrading the Coast Guard, Search & Rescue, surveilance capability (as in drones baby, drones)! It's only when youse guys kept pleading for the waldo to "pick one, any one", I said... if you're going to spend the money, anything but the F-35. Which is when I started to speak to the Super Hornet variants, particularly the Advanced & Growler... principally because of price (and capability). Speaking of, don't forget to respond to the most appropos post from MLW member 'Rue'... you know, in line with the many times I emphasized Canada does not need an interceptor/strike fighter. Don't ignore that post, hey! The Growler and Super duper Hornet? Don't they use the same engines?!?!?!?!?! And which Rue post are you talking about? I've tuned him out. Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) As to the British, again, resort your "facts"........The F-35B fleet is still going on the airshow tour, but the sole British F-35B will be several days late for the naming of HMS Queen Elizabeth.......they're broke! They can't afford the exorbitantly priced F-35... so... instead, they'll upgrade their existing Harriers! I haven't read that update concerning the Brit airshow... is that from your LockMart propaganda source? . Edited July 3, 2014 by waldo Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 you're a waste of time. You made a statement/claim - you can't back it up. You made a comparison to the F-35 F135 engine in regards "replacement". Again, why are you so self-serving and selective in how you apply your use of the word "replacement"? What statement? That the fleet was grounded twice due to it's engine? I'm sorry if your championed solution had issues with it's engines.... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 their broke! They can't afford the exorbitantly priced F-35... so... instead, they'll upgrade their existing Harriers! I haven't read that update concerning the Brit airshow... is that from your LockMart propaganda source? . The Spanish can't afford their Navy......Their fleet flagship went early, without replacement..... As to the British, no Lockheed sources, but Royal Navy and British Press. Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 The Growler and Super duper Hornet? Don't they use the same engines?!?!?!?!?! And which Rue post are you talking about? I've tuned him out. upgraded engines... but you knew that, right? That's a shame you have MLW member 'Rue' on ignore... guess his posts strike a nerve with you, hey! Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 What statement? That the fleet was grounded twice due to it's engine? I'm sorry if your championed solution had issues with it's engines.... again, what are you calling the revisions to the F-35 F135 engine? Again, just when do you apply the word "replacement"? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Not just a statement...but fact: ..Although derived from an existing aircraft, the F/A-18E/F suffered noteworthy developmental challenges. In 1996, flight testing was suspended when problems with the Super Hornet's engines caused the aircraft to be grounded. The Super Hornet fleet was grounded a second time in 1998 when engine problems resurfaced. http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/f18_growler.htm Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Not just a statement...but fact: ..Although derived from an existing aircraft, the F/A-18E/F suffered noteworthy developmental challenges. In 1996, flight testing was suspended when problems with the Super Hornet's engines caused the aircraft to be grounded. The Super Hornet fleet was grounded a second time in 1998 when engine problems resurfaced. http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/f18_growler.htm thanks for your repetitive nothing post! Can you help member 2.0 out and speak to a "new engine"... a replacement engine? Sure you can! Or, alternatively, can you help clarify just when the word "replacement" applies? Just why would member 2.0 only use the word replacement in regards the Super Hornet... but not in relation to changes/fixes to the F-35 F135 engine? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 upgraded engines... but you knew that, right? That's a shame you have MLW member 'Rue' on ignore... guess his posts strike a nerve with you, hey! What upgraded engines? And I don't have him on ignore, but I choose no longer acknowledge his repetitive posts until his garnered some insight into the topic……I’ve no issue with his personally or typically on other subjects. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Not just a statement...but fact: . Clearly the Super Hornet should have been binned after the second grounding I don't know how you let your sons and daughters fly those things today Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 What upgraded engines? And I don't have him on ignore, but I choose no longer acknowledge his repetitive posts until his garnered some insight into the topic……I’ve no issue with his personally or typically on other subjects upgrades to the F414 - educate yourself if you're going to be so anal! hey now, you should check out his recent post (and don't ask me for a link... go fetch yourself). I look forward to you repeating the same blathering nonsense to him, as you've done to me in the past concerning "just what plane does Canada need". C'mon, step up to that post, hey! Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Clearly the Super Hornet should have been binned after the second grounding I don't know how you let your sons and daughters fly those things today you mean like the 2 relatively recent grounding for the entire F-35 "fleet" due to engine problems? Like that? Quote
waldo Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 anyway, enjoy talking to yourself and your lil' buddy... I have no more use for this thread... today! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 upgrades to the F414 - educate yourself if you're going to be so anal! hey now, you should check out his recent post (and don't ask me for a link... go fetch yourself). I look forward to you repeating the same blathering nonsense to him, as you've done to me in the past concerning "just what plane does Canada need". C'mon, step up to that post, hey! Go read a few pages further back.....he's been in rerun mode all long weekend. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 you mean like the 2 relatively recent grounding for the entire F-35 "fleet" due to engine problems? Like that? Well there you go....I'm stumped........maybe, just maybe, the issues with the Super Hornet were solved, and this led to one of the safest aircraft in the history of NAVAIR........ Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) anyway, enjoy talking to yourself and your lil' buddy... I have no more use for this thread... today! Well don't go away sore........If you really wanna know about the engines, just use your Google-fu and have a read up on the development of the Super Hornet’s engines (a recycled design…you gotta love recycling now eh), versus the engines (note plural) developed for the F-35 family…….. Edited July 4, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 Well don't go away sore........If you really wanna know about the engines, just use your Google-fu and have a read up on the development of the Super Hornet’s engines (a recycled design…you gotta love recycling now eh), versus the engines (note plural) developed for the F-35 family…….. They seem to have to keep upgrading when the previous one fails. OPnce again, trying to get too much heat out of one stove. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 They seem to have to keep upgrading when the previous one fails. OPnce again, trying to get too much heat out of one stove. So, do you now feel like stating what is too much heat for an engine? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 So, do you now feel like stating what is too much heat for an engine? Too much heat is when the fan blades crack and fall off. Usually taking out other fan blades as they migrate back through the engine toward the exhaust pipe. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 Too much heat is when the fan blades crack and fall off. Usually taking out other fan blades as they migrate back through the engine toward the exhaust pipe. Well let’s be specific then, at what temperature is that? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 Well let’s be specific then, at what temperature is that? You want an actual number? Who cares. Maybe take a read of some of the posts here that outline the history of F 35 engine failures/problems some very recently, and see what is the most common issue. TEMPERATURE. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 You want an actual number? Who cares. Maybe take a read of some of the posts here that outline the history of F 35 engine failures/problems some very recently, and see what is the most common issue. TEMPERATURE. Of course I want a number......earlier you said: And that single engine has to produce a lot of heat to take the place of two engines. Way too much heat. Not only a problem for that lonely engine So at what temperature is "way too much heat"? And would you care to address the initial issues with the Super Hornet’s engines (the aircraft that you also champion) that lead to it’s fleet being grounded twice in the 1990s? Quote
Moonbox Posted July 4, 2014 Author Report Posted July 4, 2014 In testing, it’s already been proven to surpass both the Falcon and Hornet in “dog-fighting”, coupled with it carrying stores and fuel internally (translating into less drag, sustained g-rating and an improved center of gravity when contrasted to aircraft carrying stores under the wings), Lower drag is great, but knowing that your primary fighter has similar energy/maneuverability diagrams to the F-18 is worrisome, considering that's a +35 year old design now and wasn't a premier air-superiority platform even in its time. Once detected, the F-35 is going to have a huge disadvantage in BVR combat as well as dogfighting against dedicated air-superiority fighters like the Typhoon, or even the F-15 or SU-35. If it's detected too early, those fighters will launch their missiles from further out, at higher speeds (F-35's supersonic acceleration is horrible), and in the unlikely scenario where they actually dogfight, simple weight/thrust and wing-loading are going to strongly be against the F-35. it’s ability to track targets with 360 degree coverage in both the x and y axis, reduction in not only radar return, but also infrared and electronic emissions etc etc and yeah……I’d argue that it will be able to dogfight if needed... I've heard (secondhand, but from what I consider a reliable source, so take it for what it's worth), at low speeds and high g turns, will share some/many of the traits as the A-4. It has fantastic transonic acceleration, I know that, but I find it unlikely that it's going to be agile like the A-4 at low speeds. The A-4 was tiny and had wing-loading comparable to the Raptor, whereas the F-35 is large and has worse wing-loading than the 1950's era Voodoo. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 Of course I want a number......earlier you said: So at what temperature is "way too much heat"? And would you care to address the initial issues with the Super Hornet’s engines (the aircraft that you also champion) that lead to it’s fleet being grounded twice in the 1990s? This is getting redundant, once again. Too much heat is when things like thermal creep occur, and fan blades self destruct. With regard to your comment on the F 18 groundings: twice! Again, read the history of the PW in the F 35. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 This is getting redundant, once again. Too much heat is when things like thermal creep occur, and fan blades self destruct. So that’s a no on expanding on your earlier claim? With regard to your comment on the F 18 groundings: twice! Again, read the history of the PW in the F 35. Are you suggesting the issues the Super Hornet faced during development that led to two groundings are no longer present? Quote
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