The immorality of the Gaza rulers

[Guest Peeves]

http://news.yahoo.co...-153012778.html

"GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel at a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.

Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites. Hamas did not provide any proof of the alleged collaboration."

These are the same subhumans that hang gays and behead other Fatah members.

Lovely people that some support. Lovely people that some send 'blockade busting' phoney aid.

Deplorable disgusting and revolting actions as usual.

[scribblet]

Disgusting behaviour from the dregs of humanity, although there isn`t much humanity about those people. I wonder if they even had a kangaroo trial.

[Guest Peeves]

When we read daily (it seems) of atrocity after atrocity in Syria and Darfur and throughout the Islamic 'spring', one wonders at the mentality of some of our 'human' co-existers on this planet can consider themselves as human..?

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/2010/01/why-the-coexisters-are-so-full-of-crap.html

[cybercoma]

How many innocent Palestinians has Israel murdered without proof or trial? How many innocent people has Obama killed with drone strikes? A handful of deaths by Palestinians and they're the dregs of humanity though.

[DogOnPorch]

How many innocent Palestinians has Israel murdered without proof or trial? How many innocent people has Obama killed with drone strikes? A handful of deaths by Palestinians and they're the dregs of humanity though.

How many?

[cybercoma]

The point is that the rhetoric is neither helpful nor insightful.

[DogOnPorch]

The point is that the rhetoric is neither helpful nor insightful.

But you can't tell me how many?

[cybercoma]

But you can't tell me how many?

More than 6.

[DogOnPorch]

More than 6.

That seems rather vague. Can you post some links for us all to look at?

[cybercoma]

What game are you playing? Are you really denying that innocent civilians have been killed by Israel and the US recently? The number doesn't matter. The fact is that those people were killed without due process. But "collateral damage" doesn't make the attackers the "dregs of humanity" apparently. Even collateral damage is a loose term when Israel knowingly launches attacks into residential neighbourhoods.

Edited November 22, 2012 by cybercoma

[Boges]

Doesn't Hamas purposefully fire their rockets in public areas near civilians essentially using them as human shields? Collateral damage is what Hamas wants.

[cybercoma]

And Israel responds in kind. Levelling neighbourhood and residential complexes without a thought, blaming it on Hamas launching their attacks from there. Both sides are idiots: Hamas for using human shields and Israel for slaughtering the hostages.

Edited November 22, 2012 by cybercoma

[Boges]

I know it's off-topic but would you rather have had the US army invaded Japan instead of dropping the Atomic bomb in 1945?

I'm sure Israel could invade Gaza to root out Hamas to avoid civilian casualties but that would come at a great risk to their own people.

It's sort of the same principle.

[DogOnPorch]

What game are you playing? Are you really denying that innocent civilians have been killed by Israel and the US recently? The number doesn't matter. The fact is that those people were killed without due process. But "collateral damage" doesn't make the attackers the "dregs of humanity" apparently. Even collateral damage is a loose term when Israel knowingly launches attacks into residential neighbourhoods.

So what you're saying is that you don't have examples.

Edited November 22, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Guest Peeves]

How many innocent Palestinians has Israel murdered without proof or trial? How many innocent people has Obama killed with drone strikes? A handful of deaths by Palestinians and they're the dregs of humanity though.

So your response is to what? Justify,excuse,qualify, deny,absolve? You attempt to shift the point away from ...? your friends ? behavior?

You use mitigation and rationalization as a pretext to avoid criticism of brutality.

Obama has nothing to do with the subject.Your rather inane response is a non sequitur for the sole purpose of a childish attempt to diminish the brutality of the Hamas treatment of its citizens.

A sad attempt at that,but no surprise. Since you don't condemn the behavior by exception you obviously must support it.

Such a position is simply a support of the Hamas brutality by obfuscation. Any moral person would condemn the example, not attempt to minimise it, which is what you (and others) do to avoid the opportunity to condemn the terrorists.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Peeves

[cybercoma]

So your response is to what? Justify,excuse,qualify, deny,absolve? You attempt to shift the point away from ...? your friends ? behavior?

You use mitigation and rationalization as a pretext to avoid criticism of brutality.

Obama has nothing to do with the subject.Your rather inane response is a non sequitur for the sole purpose of a childish attempt to diminish the brutality of the Hamas treatment of its citizens.

A sad attempt at that,but no surprise. Since you don't condemn the behavior by exception you obviously must support it.

Such a position is simply a support of the Hamas brutality by obfuscation. Any moral person would condemn the example, not attempt to minimise it, which is what you (and others) do to avoid the opportunity to condemn the terrorists.

Are you looking for an award for most logical fallacies in a single post?

[Peter F]

http://news.yahoo.co...-153012778.html

"GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel at a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. ...

. Hamas did not provide any proof of the alleged collaboration."

The US military doesnt provide any proof of alleged crimes either

"This is a targeted, focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists, who are trying to go in and harm Americans, hit American facilities, American bases and so on," Obama said.

http://content.usato.../1#.UK5UQjC71p4

Hamas meets the same standard as the USA in these matters. So whats your problem?

[Merlin]

Cybercoma, you must stop defending these people. Hamas are bad people, they don't like democracy like you or I , surely you must know this.

[Guest Peeves]

I know it's off-topic but would you rather have had the US army invaded Japan instead of dropping the Atomic bomb in 1945?

I'm sure Israel could invade Gaza to root out Hamas to avoid civilian casualties but that would come at a great risk to their own people.

It's sort of the same principle.

Such an over simplification of the reality of the Gaza situation.

Apparently you lack the knowledge of the region, the Hamas regime,geography and the facts.

Why indeed would Israel invade when they have the capability to surgically strike locations storing or firing missiles?

As to your mikey mouse idea of rooting out Hamas with a ground incursion into the Gaza, "to root out Hamas to avoid civilian casualties". Would they be looking for say those in a nicely tailored uniform? Those not embedded, hiding amongst citizens? Those marching in goose step, cadence counting? Just how do you avoid killing civilians if Hamas nests among them, in mosques even!!

How silly. Any land invasion of Gaza would be avoided unless there was no alternative for logistical and common sense reason.. Fewer civilians are killed as collateral when surgical attacks are used. Additionally the Israelis even drop leaflets to advise citizens to stay away from targeted areas.

Israel has intelligence and is far better at picking off Hamas leaders one by one than by attempting to find them after invading and driving them underground.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Peeves

[Boges]

Such an over simplification of the reality of the Gaza situation.

Apparently you lack the knowledge of the region, the Hamas regime,geography and the facts.

Why indeed would Israel invade when they have the capability to surgically strike locations storing or firing missiles?

As to your mikey mouse idea of rooting out Hamas with a ground incursion into the Gaza, "to root out Hamas to avoid civilian casualties". Would they be looking for say those in a nicely tailored uniform? Those not embedded, hiding amongst citizens? Those marching in goose step, cadence counting? Just how do you avoid killing civilians if Hamas nests among them, in mosques even!!

How silly. Any land invasion of Gaza would be avoided unless there was no alternative for logistical and common sense reason.. Fewer civilians are killed as collateral when surgical attacks are used. Additionally the Israelis even drop leaflets to advise citizens to stay away from targeted areas.

Israel has intelligence and is far better at picking off Hamas leaders one by one than by attempting to find them after invading and driving them underground.

That wasn't my idea. I'm saying that an alternative to airstrikes would be an invasion and from an Israeli. But such a thing would likely cause more carnage. I'm not exactly sure what anti-Israeli activists think should do in response to Hamas' actions.

[Guest Peeves]

The US military doesnt provide any proof of alleged crimes either

"This is a targeted, focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists, who are trying to go in and harm Americans, hit American facilities, American bases and so on," Obama said.

http://content.usato.../1#.UK5UQjC71p4

Hamas meets the same standard as the USA in these matters. So whats your problem?

Oh right equal brutality. So I guess it's just the waste of petrol draginga guy trough the streets. The Western countries are equally guilty in that.

And of course it goes against the teaching of Mohammad, "do not desecrate an enemies body."

What a maroon.

[Guest Peeves]

Cybercoma, you must stop defending these people. Hamas are bad people, they don't like democracy like you or I , surely you must know this.

Those of his persuasion will deny support for the likes of Hamas though their position infers it. They simply use EVERY opportunity, (boring asit gets to be) to denounce, the USA, the West, and Jews anywhere....

[Guest American Woman]

Those of his persuasion will deny support for the likes of Hamas though their position infers it. They simply use EVERY opportunity, (boring asit gets to be) to denounce, the USA, the West, and Jews anywhere....

And of course while the fighting is all the fault of the U.S., the fact that the U.S. played a big part in Israel agreeing to a cease fire is never mentioned. Guess we're never responsible for peace - as we are responsible for every act of violence that occurs.

[cybercoma]

Cybercoma, you must stop defending these people. Hamas are bad people, they don't like democracy like you or I , surely you must know this.

You would have a point if I was defending them. But I'm not, so you don't.

[cybercoma]

And of course while the fighting is all the fault of the U.S., the fact that the U.S. played a big part in Israel agreeing to a cease fire is never mentioned. Guess we're never responsible for peace - as we are responsible for every act of violence that occurs.

When did I say the fighting in Israel is the fault of the US?

Oh right. I didn't.