Time to shut down the CBC

[CPCFTW]

You could have just said 'oops, I was wrong' instead of this diatribe.

I wasn't wrong. You'd have to be quite incompetent to think we're talking about the taxes you listed. When talking about "taxes" paid by a corporation, it is implicit that you are referring to income taxes.

Furthermore any "taxes" are paid out of tax dollars from the government. That's not paying taxes. That's just giving back some of what was taken. The taxes could be completely exempted, and the company could then just be given less tax dollars to reflect the lower expenses.

I'm also not convinced CBC pays any of those taxes (other than those paid by their employees), as they are an agent crown corp. Agent crown corps are exempt from taxation from other levels of govt.

Like I said, partisan hack.

[g_bambino]

When talking about "taxes" paid by a corporation, it is implicit that you are referring to income taxes.

No, it's not.

[CPCFTW]

Well, you brought it up.

No I didn't. CC did.

[g_bambino]

No I didn't. CC did.

Well, let me be more specific: It was you who said private media corporations only pay taxes, they don't spend them.

[ed.: -]

Edited November 15, 2012 by g_bambino

[CPCFTW]

No, it's not.

So when we talk about corporations not paying enough taxes, we're talking about sale taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, and taxes paid by their employees? I guess we should redefine "fair" if corporate taxation is "unfair".

[g_bambino]

So when we talk about corporations not paying enough taxes, we're talking about sale taxes, payroll taxes, [and] property taxes...?

Unless you specify otherwise, possibly, yes.

[ed.: +]

Edited November 15, 2012 by g_bambino

[CPCFTW]

Unless you specify otherwise, possibly, yes.

[ed.: +]

Nope. It is implicitly income taxes under discussion when discussing corporate taxes. Find me any article about corporate taxes that discusses the taxes mentioned by guyser.

Fwiw, I've argued several times for 0% corp taxes (note: income tax rate) because of the other taxes mentioned by guyser.

Edited November 15, 2012 by CPCFTW

[guyser]

I wasn't wrong.

Yea, you were. Im sure you wish it could be different but, nope.

I said they pay taxes and I didnt specify which ones since none had been specified. but you decided on your own they didnt, and came up with some sort of quasi misdirectional quote, which by the way does not say they dont pay, just that they may not pay some taxes depending on year end targets.

You'd have to be quite incompetent to think we're talking about the taxes you listed. When talking about "taxes" paid by a corporation, it is implicit that you are referring to income taxes.

I would expect nothing less fromsomeone who cannot admit they made an error. Sad to say, I am no in your head reading that which you do not put down in print. Hey, maybe you were thinking of other taxes huh?

Who knew? (pssst...no one)

I'm also not convinced CBC pays any of those taxes (other than those paid by their employees), as they are an agent crown corp. Agent crown corps are exempt from taxation from other levels of govt.

Crown Corps pay those taxes. That they are voluntarily paying them as municipal and provincial fees the same as being taxed and other fees.

Like I said, partisan hack.

Not true but thats Ok, its better than being an ignorant hack.

[guyser]

No, it's not.

It is when in ones own mind thats what they thought, but never specified.

[guyser]

Nope. It is implicitly income taxes under discussion when discussing corporate taxes.

Of course!

Find me any article about corporate taxes that discusses the taxes mentioned by guyser.

Except you never said corporate taxes so go back , read what you omitted and youll see the errors you made.

[CPCFTW]

Crown Corps pay those taxes. That they are voluntarily paying them as municipal and provincial fees the same as being taxed and other fees.

What?

[CPCFTW]

Of course!

Except you never said corporate taxes so go back , read what you omitted and youll see the errors you made.

Doesn't really matter what I said. You could pay a federal employee 1 million dollars, tax them 950k, and say they're "overtaxed". In the end, any taxes paid from tax dollars is not beneficial to the government income statement. It just means a tax dollar recipient borrowed money from the government for a brief period.

Why do we care whether or not crown corps pay taxes? Because taxes support the government. You're being disingenuous to argue that any of the taxes paid with tax dollars already taken supports the govt.

Just another failure of logic from the left.

Edited November 15, 2012 by CPCFTW

[guyser]

What?

They pay them as agreed from a voluntary initiative started long ago, Payment in lieu of taxes act, for Muni and provincial taxes + fees

[guyser]

Doesn't really matter what I said

of course it doesnt, but only when you are wrong....right?

If it didnt matter, why the angst about it for the last two pages. We both know why , dont we.

. Just another failure of logic from the left.

Nope, the left in this case has been right.

Just another bruised ego righty.....is that ok?

Ta ta !

[The_Squid]

The CBC is a public broadcaster, not a private corporation, so OF COURSE their tax payments are going to be different! Crown corporations don't pay income tax.

The comparison is apples/oranges.

[CPCFTW]

They pay them as agreed from a voluntary initiative started long ago, Payment in lieu of taxes act, for Muni and provincial taxes + fees

That's just a transfer from fed to prov/muni governments with a different delivery method. Let's call a spade a spade.

[guyser]

That's just a transfer from fed to prov/muni governments with a different delivery method. Let's call a spade a spade.

Im done chasing goalposts. When you are ready to let them settle in one place, give me a call.

[CPCFTW]

I'll gladly admit that I was wrong about crown corps not paying taxes if you'll admit that the "taxes" they pay are just transfers to other levels of government, or a return of funds to taxpayers, and that these taxes paid in no way supports the government (which is the primary purpose of taxes).

Edited November 15, 2012 by CPCFTW

[Battletoads]

How dare they not be shills for wing nuts like yourself, by all means shut them down immediately!

[CPCFTW]

How dare they not be shills for wing nuts like yourself, by all means shut them down immediately!

I'd definitely call for Sun News to be shut down if it was taking 1B/yr from taxpayers to espouse their right-leaning views. I'm not a partisan hack like CBC supporters.

[Fletch 27]

1 billion dollars to sway opinion the the left. Is it any wonder that Canadians trust the media less than Steve Harper! The CBC should be shut down..

[The_Squid]

1 billion dollars to sway opinion the the left. Is it any wonder that Canadians trust the media less than Steve Harper! The CBC should be shut down..

The CBC is not "the media".

In fact, a majority are in favour of public funding for the CBC.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/majority-backs-public-funding-for-cbc-poll-finds/article4250955/

The Harris-Decima poll would suggest there isn't a wave of support for cutting the CBC's $1.1-billion subsidy.

“The biggest conclusion that I drew is that for the most part, the public seemed to be saying steady as it goes and half of them basically are saying, I'm more comfortable given these options to keep the funding as it is,” said Doug Anderson, executive vice-president at Harris-Decima.

The survey found that Canadians who wanted the funding decreased or cut completely were more likely to be Conservative supporters, men, those over the age of 50 and respondents living in Alberta.

Those who were for increased funding were most likely to be from Atlantic Canada, New Democrats, and those with household incomes exceeding $100,000 annually.

[westguy]

then let "the majority" pay for the CBC

[Battletoads]

I'm not a partisan hack

[The_Squid]

then let "the majority" pay for the CBC

Nothing in government works that way. We elect MPs to represent us and, if they form a government, they decide on spending priorities and pass a budget. The Conservatives have chosen to fund the CBC. Unfortunately, there have been cutbacks, but they certainly don't intend to stop funding it.