DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Fine...then you don't want to bring up the reality of Istishhad...an Iranian invention. These guys used to make kids run into mine fields carrying a 'key to heaven' and your position is that they are rational actors. I say you're wrong. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 Fine...then you don't want to bring up the reality of Istishhad...an Iranian invention. These guys used to make kids run into mine fields carrying a 'key to heaven' and your position is that they are rational actors. I say you're wrong. I never said that Iranians were all rational or that they couldnt be suicide bombers. Youre arguing with imaginary voices in your own head. I said Khamieni is a rational actor, which incidentally is what both Israeli and US intelligence has said as well. And I pointed out that Islamic world leaders lead lives of privilege and arent likely to become suidide bombers. Heres the post you ignored the first time around... Posted Today, 09:18 PM DogOnPorch, on 12 November 2012 - 09:03 PM, said: My 'claim' which is Islam's claim is that the surest way to the highest form of Heaven is to die fighting in the name of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed. Your claim is rendered rather laughable by the tiny number of suicide bombers compared to the billion muslims in the world. But your claim is even MORE laughable when you are talking about the Ayatollah. You see, its true that this religious justification IS used to convince some men and women to become suicide bombers. Its quite another thing to believe that a muslim world leader like Saddam Hussein, or Khomeini, or Prince Salman, or King Abdullah, or Makhdoom Shahbuddin, or King Hussein is going to do the same. All these people already live lives of incredible privilege, and if they wanted to bone 72 virgins, they would be delivered to their private quarters in under an hour. In the case of ali khamenei theres absolutely nothing at all to suggest that this is the case. Intelligence agencies describe him as a "rational actor" that is "consumed with the survival of his own regime". But go ahead and tell us DOP? Why arent all these Islamic Royals strapping on suicide vests to hasten their journey to heaven? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 If anything,if Iran obtains the bomb,there will be more peace in the region. The peace of the grave? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 The peace of the grave? No more like the uneasy peace between pakistan and india. For some reason the muslims with their finger on pakistans nuclear launch button arent racing off after their 72 virgins either Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 dre: I said Khamieni (sic) is a rational actor You mean the same Khamenei that banned women riding motorbikes, men wearing neck ties and listening to music? Yeah...I can see why you think he's rational. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2012 Report Posted November 13, 2012 No more like the uneasy peace between pakistan and india. For some reason the muslims with their finger on pakistans nuclear launch button arent racing off after their 72 virgins either India has thermonuclear weapons. Pakistan...much, much smaller. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted November 14, 2012 Report Posted November 14, 2012 Well all abrahamic skygod worshippers believe in heaven, or at least claim to. I am a Jew. You would probably call me an "Abrahamic sky G-d worshiper." I will tell you I personally do not believe in heaven, I will also tell you that the question of whether or not there is a Jewish belief in heaven was the subject of a four (4) evening lecture series. Ultimately the result is highly inconclusive. I like to believe that whether or not there is a heaven is the wrong question; the question should be whether you've done as much good as you can while on the earth. But that belief very rarely nullifies anyones natural instinct to survive. By your twisted logic and naive view of human nature the muslims in charge of pakistans nukes would have launched them on India the second they had a few that worked to get banging those 72 virgins as fast as possible. And the reality is that if Khomeini wanted get some of that action, he doesnt need nukes to do it. When one sees the level of violence endemic in the social fabric of Pakistan, Iran or Syria, the idea of Islamic nukes is not calming. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
betsy Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Sure they do... They believe that when they die its time for eternal bliss. So back to your argument... why dont they all do what they can to hasten their entrance into heaven? Based on your flimsy logic, whey dont all believers in heaven work to hasten their ascention? Because if Christians commit suicide - they're more likely to be barred from heaven. Edited November 14, 2012 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) But go ahead and tell us DOP? Why arent all these Islamic Royals strapping on suicide vests to hasten their journey to heaven? Maybe they're enjoying their time on earth? Virgins galore on earth? There's no need to rush? Edited November 14, 2012 by betsy Quote
Black Dog Posted November 14, 2012 Report Posted November 14, 2012 You mean the same Khamenei that banned women riding motorbikes, men wearing neck ties and listening to music? Yeah...I can see why you think he's rational. You're out of your element here. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 14, 2012 Report Posted November 14, 2012 You're out of your element here. Really. What part of gunning down the civilian population in the streets am I not getting when it comes to Iran's government and leaders? They perhaps had rabies? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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