Macleans Sinks Low

[socialist]

I see with the latest issue of maclean's that they are pandering to the far right. i have never been more offeneded with a magazine cover in my life. i hope the readers can see through this garbage and stop buying this magazine. what's happened to honest journalsim?

I would like people to know that what this cover shows is not even close to the truth.

http://www.rogersmag...mme05no2012.jpg

Edited October 29, 2012 by socialist

[Guest]

Seems reasonable to me. I seem to remember a thread on this very issue, regarding the BCTF.

[TimG]

I seem to remember Maclean's caught a lot of crap for saying Quebec was the most corrupt place in Canada.

And that was years before we were entertained by the ramblings if M. TPS claiming it was not his job to report corruption.

Maybe Maclean's has a point.

Edited October 29, 2012 by TimG

[socialist]

Seems reasonable to me. I seem to remember a thread on this very issue, regarding the BCTF.

teaching kids to respect the environment is wrong> come on.

[Shady]

Sweet! I may have to get a subscription to McLeans.

[Guest]

teaching kids to respect the environment is wrong> come on.

That's not what the BCTF was (is?) teaching kids. We've argued that issue once. No point in doing it again.

[socialist]

That's not what the BCTF was (is?) teaching kids. We've argued that issue once. No point in doing it again.

ok. but don't make stuff up. the bctf was trying to introduce lessons that made students environmentall aware and told them about the ills of the pipeline. let's not make stuff up.

[socialist]

Sweet! I may have to get a subscription to McLeans.

why do you fall for false sensationalsim?

[scribblet]

Think I'll start reading it too, the schools system has been brain washing kids for a long time.

[BubberMiley]

Think I'll start reading it too, the schools system has been brain washing kids for a long time.

How? By telling them commas aren't used to break up two sentences? And that brainwashing is one word?

[Shady]

How? By telling them commas aren't used to break up two sentences? And that brainwashing is one word?

You know you've lost when you've been reduced to critizing grammar in an Internet forum! LOL!

[BubberMiley]

You know you've lost when you've been reduced to critizing grammar in an Internet forum! LOL!

Lost? I was asking for clarification of scribblet's position. Though I admit I'm at a loss to see how the curriculum "brainwashes" people. I know scribblet has a hard time providing any kind of substance. Maybe you can take up the gauntlet and explain, in grammatically correct detail, just how the public school system has brainwashed you?

[BC_chick]

I see with the latest issue of maclean's that they are pandering to the far right. i have never been more offeneded with a magazine cover in my life. i hope the readers can see through this garbage and stop buying this magazine. what's happened to honest journalsim?

I would like people to know that what this cover shows is not even close to the truth.

http://www.rogersmag...mme05no2012.jpg

They've been right of centre for a while now, since 2005 when Kenneth Whyte became the editor.

I used to subscribe to it and without even realising the editor had changed I noticed the difference in the magazine's content. A little searching and I found out why.

The change was not subtle at all.

Edited October 29, 2012 by BC_chick

[BubberMiley]

You know you've lost when you've been reduced to critizing grammar in an Internet forum! LOL!

You know you've lost when you've been reduced to scurrying away from providing facts or substantive detail. How is Romney's 1.9% average at RealClearPolitics doing?

[scribblet]

How? By telling them commas aren't used to break up two sentences? And that brainwashing is one word?

Who made you the grammar nazi...

m speaking from experience with my two kids, I always used to say you have to innoculate your kids against the school system.

[socialist]

Who made you the grammar nazi...

m speaking from experience with my two kids, I always used to say you have to innoculate your kids against the school system.

And what kind of phony brainwashing did your kids endure? Or are you just making stuff up to be dramatic? But i do see that you sent your kid to public school because you know it is the best system in the country.

[scribblet]

Believe me, if I had the money they would've gone to a private school.

[socialist]

Believe me, if I had the money they would've gone to a private school.

you didn't answer my question. what kind of brainwashing were your kids exposed to?

[Guest]

They tried to tell my girls that affirmative action was good for them. They know better, of course, but they had to fake it for the grades.

[BubberMiley]

They tried to tell my girls that affirmative action was good for them.

Just as I suspected. Someone once expressed an opinion you disagreed with. Therefore, the public school system is "brainwashing" our children.

[Guest]

They didn't express an opinion. They told my kids it was so. Do you not see the difference? Are you okay with the Kansas school board teaching creationism? Just an opinion, so okay?

I just posted it as an example of how the schools can teach kids the wrong things and how parents can make sure they are okay in the end, if they care enough and pay attention.

I'm sorry if you believe in affirmative action.

I should add: I never actually used the word. I did post in response to Socialist's use of the word, so I understand your response, but I don't think I would characterize it as brainwashing. Attempted political indoctrination, maybe.

Edited October 30, 2012 by bcsapper

[BC_chick]

In the higher years the curriculum includes polarised topics to teach the children how to create an argument. There is no right or wrong answer and this is explicitly stated when handing out the assignment. Topics include capital-punishment, abortion, amongst many other things.

I'm sorry your girls 'faked it for the grades' but they really didn't need to. They could have expressed a different opinion than what they thought the teacher wanted to hear.

I know a lot of people who work in education. They have specific instructions on this sort of thing because they could get in trouble otherwise.

Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the incident played out the way you (or your girls) say it did.

[Guest]

Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the incident played out the way you (or your girls) say it did.

Do you think I'm lying to you or they lied to me...?

Edit> Neither. You were exactly right. I just checked with one of them, and it was first year university where that happened. Such are the ravages of age on memory.

So apologies to BubberMiley and Socialist too.

Edited October 30, 2012 by bcsapper

[Bonam]

In the higher years the curriculum includes polarised topics to teach the children how to create an argument. There is no right or wrong answer and this is explicitly stated when handing out the assignment. Topics include capital-punishment, abortion, amongst many other things.

I'm sorry your girls 'faked it for the grades' but they really didn't need to. They could have expressed a different opinion than what they thought the teacher wanted to hear.

I know a lot of people who work in education. They have specific instructions on this sort of thing because they could get in trouble otherwise.

Ideally, it would work as you say. In practice, it doesn't always. While many teachers do try to present and grade things objectively, I definitely recall several teachers that let their personal biases affect their work. With increasingly militant teachers unions erasing the notion of teachers being respected professionals, I can only see that problem worsening. Furthermore, while a teacher may try to present things as a "topic of discussion", their personal opinion on it will almost inevitably creep into their tone, presentation, facial expression, etc, as they present it. And a student who speaks out alone in a class discussion against commonly held views will tend to get ostracized by his fellow classmates for his/her "weirdness", even if the teacher is perfectly neutral.

Now, I fully agree that contentious topics should be introduced and discussed in classes such as Social Studies, Humanities, History, English, etc, but the classroom situation is far from the perfect neutrality and objectivity you may hope it to be. And, of course, that is also part of the lesson that students must learn as they are prepared for the real world.

[BC_chick]

Do you think I'm lying to you or they lied to me...?

Edit> Neither. You were exactly right. I just checked with one of them, and it was first year university where that happened. Such are the ravages of age on memory.

So apologies to BubberMiley and Socialist too.

Aww, that's a rare sight on this site. You actually acknowledged a mistake.

No worries I just know that it would be a big no-no to do that, that's why I had a feeling it didn't happen. Just like teachers aren't supposed to hug students or have any physical contact. You don't want to invite trouble for yourself.

BTW, even in uni they're not supposed to give personal opinions like that. Depending on the faculty, they may spend time on studies that demonstrate certain beliefs but a prof isn't supposed to say what s/he personally believes. Students are also free to make their argument as they please.

Edited October 30, 2012 by BC_chick