bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) And some of them are whoppers. For example, The Blunt amendment/contraceptive matter....Romney's telling an outrageous falsehood about this. ROMNEY: “I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care or not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.” Recall back in March, when Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri introduced a bill that would allow employers to deny contraceptive coverage to employees. Mitt Romney said: “Of course I support the Blunt amendment…. Of course Roy Blunt, who is my liaison to the Senate, is someone I support and of course I support that amendment. I clearly want to have religious exemption from Obamacare…. I really think all Americans should be allowed to get around this religious exemption.” This one is pretty simple. And then there's Romney's continual "job loss" insistence: ROMNEY: “We have fewer people working today than we had when the president took office.” This is flatly false. The Bureau of Labor statistics just revised estimates from March 2011 to March 2012 upwards by 386,000 jobs—meaning that Obama crossed the magic imaginary barrier of net job creation for his term, and has actually created a net positive 125,000 jobs. This is a simple fact. And there have been 868,000 jobs created in the private sector during this time, which have been offset by public sector job losses—something Mitt Romney would like to see continue. Moreover, this is an awful tough metric to judge Obama on in the first place. As he’s fond of mentioning, the economy was hemorrhaging 800,000 jobs a month when he took office—so holding him to a net job creation standard means he has to make up for those massive losses that were out of his control entirely. But he’s still done it. And so on...... http://www.thenation...est-debate-lies# Edited October 18, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Mr.Canada Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 How about Obamas lies? He made many promises during the last election. he's had four years to deliver and couldn't.' 1. Pulling out of Iraq. he said within six months he'd be pulling troops out of Iraq. That turned into 3 years. 2.No more wiretapping of citizens. We all know Obama has continued the legacy of ear started by Bush Jr. 3.Won't raise taxes! We all know he raised taxes by $2500. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 How about Obamas lies? He made many promises during the last election. he's had four years to deliver and couldn't.' 1. Pulling out of Iraq. he said within six months he'd be pulling troops out of Iraq. That turned into 3 years. 2.No more wiretapping of citizens. We all know Obama has continued the legacy of ear started by Bush Jr. 3.Won't raise taxes! We all know he raised taxes by $2500. We can have another thread about broken campaign promises, if you like. What about the debate lies...the topic of this thread? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Mr.Canada Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 We can have another thread about broken campaign promises, if you like. What about the debate lies...the topic of this thread? I understand that it's embarrassing for you to realize that Obama isn't the messiah after all. I watched this film called "The Obama deception". In it it detailed that the US was on the brink of a revolution then was suddenly calmed because a black man was made president. however Obama is carrying on the same legacy as Bush did. In fact the film stated that no matter who is in power that the president will take his orders from the Bilderberg group and Trilateral council. So many of Obamas staffers are members of the Bilderberg group. Obama makes n decisions on the economy that the federal reserve make all the decisions. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 I understand that it's embarrassing for you to realize that Obama isn't the messiah after all. This coming from a man who wishes for portraits of our Dear Leader to be displayed in every home, and for people to express explicit idolatry. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Mr.Canada Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 This coming from a man who wishes for portraits of our Dear Leader to be displayed in every home, and for people to express explicit idolatry. That was yesterday. Today I am convinced that our leaders are guided by the Bilderberg group. The y are ones who are making the real decisions and shaping t he nation. The bankers have taken over, anyone who gets in the way will be assassinated. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 That was yesterday. Today I am convinced that our leaders are guided by the Bilderberg group. And tomorrow it will be aliens...and the day after that, you will no doubt rejoin our little coterie of posters who think "The Left! The Left!" is sober poltiical discourse, and best explains the troubles beseiging humanity. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 Actually, the number of people working in the USA was less than the amount of people working when Obama took office until the numbers were falsely adjusted at the BLS over the past month. The BLS didn't include the labour statistics from California in order to dishonestly inflate employment statistics to assist Obama's reelection efforts with some talking points. We can check the data with Google: http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=employed&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false There were less people in the USA working in August of 2012 than in January of 2009, but as I just said, the numbers were falsified in the past month at the BLS. Somehow we're supposed to believe that the number of new entrants into to labour force were at record highs on a monthly basis since something like twenty years ago. Context also matters. What are the average and median salaries of these new jobs since January 2009 (hint, they're almost 10% lower). How many of them are part-time instead of full-time, especially for those seeking full-time employment? Somewhat tangentially, about about average and median net worth of Americans (hint, it's down 40% over the past three years according to Forbes). The economy is in a downward tailspin, and here you are, a voluntary socialist commissar, parroting the lies from a communist rag like The Nation. It's like Stalin in the 40s proclaiming economic successes ("tractor production is up, comrades!") while millions of Soviet subjects were starving. Quote
Smallc Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 Actually, the number of people working in the USA was less than the amount of people working when Obama took office until the numbers were falsely adjusted at the BLS over the past month. Citation needed Quote
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 Citation needed The BLS has already acknowledged that they didn't include California in the adjusted statistics. That's clearly not an accidental oversight. I'm not here to spoonfeed barely casual observers like yourself with all the details. Quote
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) and here you are, a voluntary socialist commissar, parroting the lies from a communist rag like The Nation. It's like Stalin in the 40s proclaiming economic successes ("tractor production is up, comrades!") while millions of Soviet subjects were starving. Yeah, this isn't a promiscuous overstatement at all. And Christ on a cracker, you're a prickly little pear! Ok, l until I decide to correct your Rerublican propaganda talking points here (and I assure you i plan to do so, unless I determine that you're correct, a faint possibility), let's see you try the next one: Romney's explicit lies about contraception and the Blunt amendment. i'll give you a few minutes to go check with the proper reactionary soruces from which you glean all your "knowledge." I know you make no steps without them. And then get back to me. Edited October 18, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Smallc Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 The BLS has already acknowledged that they didn't include California in the adjusted statistics. That's clearly not an accidental oversight. I'm not here to spoonfeed barely casual observers like yourself with all the details. So, you assume that California's numbers won't have a similar revision up, because? For some reason, you seem to need to assign a nefarious intent to everything that in any way supports Obama. Quote
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 So, you assume that California's numbers won't have a similar revision up, because? For some reason, you seem to need to assign a nefarious intent to everything that in any way supports Obama. Translation - you don't know how labour statistics at the BLS are compiled. Gotcha. Quote
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 Yeah, this isn't a promiscuous overstatement at all. And Christ on a cracker, you're a prickly little pear! Ok, l until I decide to correct your Rerublican propaganda talking points here (and I assure you i plan to do so, unless I determine that you're correct, a faint possibility), let's see you try the next one: Romney's explicit lies about contraception and the Blunt amendment. i'll give you a few minutes to go check with the proper reactionary soruces from which you glean all your "knowledge." I know you make no steps without them. And then get back to me. I'm characterising you accurately, which is that you are a pro-bono internet propagandist. The only saving grace you might enjoy is that you sincerely believe your own deceptive narrative. In that case, it's sort of a George Costanza moment... "It's not a lie, if you believe it". Quote
Smallc Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 Translation - you don't know how labour statistics at the BLS are compiled. Gotcha. And you're assuming somehow that the compiled statistics are somehow false. Translation - take off the tinfoil hat, and step out of the rightwing bubble. Quote
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 So, you assume that California's numbers won't have a similar revision up, because? For some reason, you seem to need to assign a nefarious intent to everything that in any way supports Obama. Everything that can in any way be associated with any form of what anyone calls "the left" is, by definiton and necessity, composed of nefarious intent, coupled with a good dollop of ignorance. This is a law of nature and a religious belief, so it's a pretty solid rule. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 And you're assuming somehow that the compiled statistics are somehow false. Translation - take off the tinfoil hat, and step out of the rightwing bubble. 'If you knew how labour statistics were compiled at the BLS, you'd know that inclusion of California's labour statistics would, without question, raise the percentage of national unemployment. Even if California enjoyed half the national average of unemployment (and it doesn't, for your information), the number would still rise. Learn how the BLS compiles its statistics, and then get back to me. Quote
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY!!! Right, because arms of the federal government are never politicised to act against their mandate. Quote
bleeding heart Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I'm characterising you accurately, which is that you are a pro-bono internet propagandist. No, your problems with me are more personal, kraychik: I exposed you (with your own help) as a dishonest fraud on another topic. Everyone makes mistakes...but you have chosen to cling to the (proven) lie, rather than man up. Which makes it ongoing. And sad, of course. If it's any consolation, I didn't know you were an historical revisionist and an abject liar until you demonstrated it. The discovery was, as they say, thoroughly accidental. Edited October 18, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
GostHacked Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 I understand that it's embarrassing for you to realize that Obama isn't the messiah after all. I watched this film called "The Obama deception". In it it detailed that the US was on the brink of a revolution then was suddenly calmed because a black man was made president. however Obama is carrying on the same legacy as Bush did. In fact the film stated that no matter who is in power that the president will take his orders from the Bilderberg group and Trilateral council. So many of Obamas staffers are members of the Bilderberg group. Obama makes n decisions on the economy that the federal reserve make all the decisions. You took the time to watch the whole thing? Interesting, it's not a short flick my any measure. But now you are heading into my tinfoil hat territory with watching a flick from Alex Jones. Quote
kraychik Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) You still pretending that Libertarianism is a leftist ideology, or originated with the left? Nevermind the fact that the values of the two are mutually irreconcilable, you practise Orwellian doublethink quite well. You can entertain two incompatible beliefs in your mind at the same time, just like Smith believed that O'Brien was holding up both four and five fingers at the exact same time with the exact same hand. If there's any personal animosity, it's one-directional and not coming for my end. Edited October 18, 2012 by kraychik Quote
punked Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 The BLS has already acknowledged that they didn't include California in the adjusted statistics. That's clearly not an accidental oversight. I'm not here to spoonfeed barely casual observers like yourself with all the details. LIE YOU ARE LIAR AND THIS IS A LIE. You know what BLS isn't the republican party three jobs reports ago they released the jobs report 10 minutes early and their was an investigation and people lost their jobs over that. They aren't spinning the numbers for Obama all states were included and you are LYING. So how about that. Quote
punked Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 So, you assume that California's numbers won't have a similar revision up, because? For some reason, you seem to need to assign a nefarious intent to everything that in any way supports Obama. Doesn't matter Smallc because this is a right wing LIE. California WAS INCLUDED. This is another Romney tactic just put out an unsupported lie and see if dumb people bite. Quote
punked Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 ' If you knew how labour statistics were compiled at the BLS, you'd know that inclusion of California's labour statistics would, without question, raise the percentage of national unemployment. Even if California enjoyed half the national average of unemployment (and it doesn't, for your information), the number would still rise. Learn how the BLS compiles its statistics, and then get back to me. Here you go from the Baltimore sun that you are liar. Care to read California numbers were included you are a LYING!!! http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-10-16/news/bs-ed-california-unemployment-20121016_1_unemployment-rate-jobless-claims-california http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-10-16/news/bs-ed-california-unemployment-20121016_1_unemployment-rate-jobless-claims-california Quote
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