Free Gaza Movement

[bud]

Arafat...born in Cairo. Says a lot...

how many israelis have been born in europe?

[Guest American Woman]

besides never agreeing to any terrorist activity, i've also stated i don't know support terrorism. can you prove that i support terrorism? if not, then you fail.

Your posts prove it.

i, on the other hand, prove that you support zionism and propagate misinformation and lies pretty much every time i comment on your comments.

More like you simply accuse me of all sorts of things every time you comment on my comments.

you're a hasbara bot

How many times have you said that? About a bajillion? Sounds just like something a terrorist supporter would continue to say, ad nauseam, not having much else to say.

Edited October 8, 2012 by American Woman

[bud]

Your posts prove it.

cite specific posts which show that i support terrorists. any post. go ahead. give it a shot.

More like you simply accuse me of all sorts of things every time you comment on my comments.

i tell you exactly how you're a zionist apologist and a hasbara bot by sharing the specific posts you make and showing exactly where you've apologized for the zionist regime and how you're propagating like a hasbara bot.

How many times have you said that? About a bajillion?

it's good to remind you that you're hasbara bot. but i don't just say that you're a hasbara bot, i show how you're a hasbara bot.

Edited October 8, 2012 by bud

[Guest American Woman]

cite specific posts which show that i support terrorists. any post. go ahead. give it a shot.

I don't have to. They speak for themselves.

i tell you exactly how you're a zionist apologist and a hasbara bot by sharing the specific posts you make and showing exactly where you've apologized for the zionist regime and how you're propagating like a hasbara bot.

And I'm telling you exactly how you're a terrorist supporter. It's there in your posts.

it's good to remind you that you're hasbara bot. but i don't just say that you're a hasbara bot, i show how you're a hasbara bot.

And it's good to remind you that you're a terrorist supporter. But I don't just say that you're a terrorist supporter, I show how you are by referencing your posts.

[bud]

I don't have to.

then you fail again.

[Guest American Woman]

then you fail again.

Only in the denying eyes of a terrorist supporter.

In case you're not getting it, I can do this just as long, and just as often, as you can. You want to play this game, you won't be playing it alone any more .... I'll be right there, calling you on your support of terrorism.

[bud]

In case you're not getting it, I can do this just as long, and just as often, as you can.

if you cannot support your claims, you are failing.

[DogOnPorch]

how many israelis have been born in europe?

Dunno. But, the "Palestinian Arabs" claim to be native. But, old Yasser was born in Cairo. His Uncle Haj Amin was born in Jerusalem, however. Maybe you should focus on him....oh....right, lol. You don't like to bring that aspect of your pet cause into daylight.

[bud]

Dunno. But, the "Palestinian Arabs" claim to be native. But, old Yasser was born in Cairo. His Uncle Haj Amin was born in Jerusalem, however. Maybe you should focus on him....oh....right, lol. You don't like to bring that aspect of your pet cause into daylight.

why play these games when majority of jews had 0 connection with palestine/israel before the mass zionist immigration?

is there a point in bringing up arafat's uncles' tactics in beating the jews (ie; collaborating with the nazis), when irael's prime minister, ben-gurion was the leader of a terrorist organization before becoming prime minister?

[jbg]

how many israelis have been born in europe?

They were born as Jews. Was Arafat born a Palestinian? Of course not, there is no such thing.

I was debating with a Pakistani once about why there were no calls for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state during the May 15, 1948 - June 6, 1967 period. The answer was that the occupying countries were Arab and they weren't worried about the Palestinians until they fell under Jewish rule.

This assertion of concern for an indigenous, independent "Palestine" amounts to crocodile tears.

[Bonam]

how many israelis have been born in europe?

Approximately 16.6% of the population of Israel. Your point?

[bud]

They were born as Jews.

how is that an answer? they were born jews, in a land far away from palestine. they had no connection to the land of palestine, except biblically. unlike the european jews, the arabs (both muslim and christian) and the real semite jews who have lived in that region have a real connection to palestine.

so why this blatant hypocrisy of accepting israel, whose population is majority first or second generation from the land, but then not accepting a palestinian state whose majority muslim arab population has been living there for a very long time, and whose dna match with the jews and christians of the past. these arabs are the real ancient inhabitants of this land. so if you want to look at it that way, then facts ruin your whole point.

I was debating with a Pakistani once about why there were no calls for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state during the May 15, 1948 - June 6, 1967 period. The answer was that the occupying countries were Arab and they weren't worried about the Palestinians until they fell under Jewish rule.

so in other words, when they noticed that their land and homes have been stolen by the jewish colonists who migrated from europe, then they started caring that their homes have been stolen. sounds about right.

This assertion of concern for an indigenous, independent "Palestine" amounts to crocodile tears.

the crocodile tears that i keep seeing is for the assertion that somehow the jews in europe have more of a claim to the land of palestine than the people who have been living there for many many generations.

Edited October 9, 2012 by bud

[Mr.Canada]

Jews have been persecuted for 5000 years, chased from country to country throughout history. The Nazi's attempted to wipe all Jews from the face of the Earth. The Jews never had a land to call home, while there are lots of places for Arabs to live there was no where for Jews.

Israel was set up as a safe place for all Jews to call home if any of their home countries become unsafe again. This is a very good thing, the Holocaust will never happen again thanks to Israel.

Israel is surrounded by countries that would love to push Israel into the sea. Israel must meet any harm against its people with equal or greater force to show the world that Israel will not tolerate any threats, ever again. Israel stands for democracy and freedom in a region that has very little to none of either. Israel is a safe place for homosexuals in the region who would be killed in any of the countries surrounding Israel.

We must support Israel, our society depends on it. If Israel ever falls, the west will not be far behind and with it our way of life.

[GostHacked]

Israel was set up as a safe place for all Jews to call home if any of their home countries become unsafe again. This is a very good thing, the Holocaust will never happen again thanks to Israel.

Safe?

Israel is surrounded by countries that would love to push Israel into the sea. Israel must meet any harm against its people with equal or greater force to show the world that Israel will not tolerate any threats, ever again. Israel stands for democracy and freedom in a region that has very little to none of either. Israel is a safe place for homosexuals in the region who would be killed in any of the countries surrounding Israel.

Funny you should mention gays. How did the last pride parade go?

We must support Israel, our society depends on it. If Israel ever falls, the west will not be far behind and with it our way of life.

Canada's way of life existed before Israel, it will continue to do so if Israel is no more. Israel may be key to Jewish survival, but it is not key to the survival of western society on the whole.

[cybercoma]

We must support Israel, our society depends on it. If Israel ever falls, the west will not be far behind and with it our way of life.

I absolutely refuse to support any state unconditionally. Historical persecution of Jews does not give the state of Israel the right to do anything it wants.

[DogOnPorch]

is there a point in bringing up arafat's uncles' tactics in beating the jews (ie; collaborating with the nazis), when irael's prime minister, ben-gurion was the leader of a terrorist organization before becoming prime minister?

There certainly is. Irgun has roots going back to the 1920s with the Mufti's pogroms...the Mufti officially installed by the British. Thus Irgun's war vs the Mufti and the British. You can't escape history.

Edited October 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[jbg]

Israel is a safe place for homosexuals in the region who would be killed in any of the countries surrounding Israel.

Explain that on Rabble and get banned.

We must support Israel, our society depends on it. If Israel ever falls, the west will not be far behind and with it our way of life.

Perfect.

[Guest Peeves]

I absolutely refuse to support any state unconditionally. Historical persecution of Jews does not give the state of Israel the right to do anything it wants.

Absolutely Israeli Jews agree with you. No democratic country has more internal political strife than does Israel. But then, motherhood and apple pie statements as yours cannot be faulted can they.

[Guest Peeves]

Safe?

Funny you should mention gays. How did the last pride parade go?

Canada's way of life existed before Israel, it will continue to do so if Israel is no more. Israel may be key to Jewish survival, but it is not key to the survival of western society on the whole.

Same goes for Islamic states. There'd be much less world violence one would think considering the history. both present and past.

[cybercoma]

Absolutely Israeli Jews agree with you. No democratic country has more internal political strife than does Israel. But then, motherhood and apple pie statements as yours cannot be faulted can they.

The problem is that people conflate Judaism with the state of Israel. You can't criticize Israeli politics without someone calling you an anti-semite.

[kraychik]

Dunno. But, the "Palestinian Arabs" claim to be native. But, old Yasser was born in Cairo. His Uncle Haj Amin was born in Jerusalem, however. Maybe you should focus on him....oh....right, lol. You don't like to bring that aspect of your pet cause into daylight.

Gingrich said it beautifully, "The 'Palestinians' are an invented people". He was absolutely right.

[Mr.Canada]

The problem is that people conflate Judaism with the state of Israel. You can't criticize Israeli politics without someone calling you an anti-semite.

Criticizing Israel is the new antisemitism. Criticizing Israel is the same as saying that Israel doesn't have the right to exist. Most people aren't criticizing israel at all but denying its right to exist which is antisemitic.

[cybercoma]

When people criticize Canada or US foreign policy, is that the same thing as saying Canada or the US does not have a right to exist?

No it's not. And neither is it when people criticize Israeli foreign policy.

[bleeding heart]

Criticizing Israel is the new antisemitism. Criticizing Israel is the same as saying that Israel doesn't have the right to exist.

Arguably the most extremist of statist views around.

[Guest American Woman]

When people criticize Canada or US foreign policy, is that the same thing as saying Canada or the US does not have a right to exist?

No it's not. And neither is it when people criticize Israeli foreign policy.

Sometimes it is. There are plenty of people who do not think Israel has the right to exist, much less as a Jewish state. I think that's the point being made.