Muslims in Toronto demand end to freedom of speech and expression.

madmax · September 28, 2012

Multiculturalism was Trudeau giving the ol' finger to English Canada.

If I recall correctly.

Kraychik is not an English name.... :rolleyes:

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Religious scapegoating? Where's that going on here?

Where ? two sentences later in your post:

I'm commenting on the religious hate rally that occurred in Toronto last weekend. That was the religion Islam asking for special privileges in terms of everybody else's rights.

Off you go.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Nice disgusting comment, trying to suggest that we're Nazis. Its also sick that you're suggesting that anything we've said even remotely resembles Nazism's values.

You're highly susceptible to being disgusted. This is someone akin to what people (you say) do when they accuse you of racism. If you're that easily disgusted, then you might not want to discuss your views on this board.

How about replying to the substance of my post ? And why again are we indulging in a discussion that's meant to scapegoat one religion - you haven't answered that one yet.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

That's how despicable Michael Hardner's politics are.

You don't need multiple posts to express your disgust - you should just combine them into one and save the bandwidth on the forum.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Oh please. You're unwilling to do anything towards addressing it.

Not true. I was just waiting for some reasonable suggestions is all.

kraychik · September 28, 2012

Off you go.

This is another teachable moment in English for Michael Hardner.

scape·goat [skeyp-goht] Show IPA

noun

1.

a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.

2.

Chiefly Biblical . a goat let loose in the wilderness on Yom Kippur after the high priest symbolically laid the sins of the people on its head. Lev. 16:8,10,26.

Please explain where DogOnPorch engaged in any scapegoating with this statement. Where is he casting blame onto a certain group for the ills of others?

I'm commenting on the religious hate rally that occurred in Toronto last weekend. That was the religion Islam asking for special privileges in terms of everybody else's rights.

Again, Michael Hardner doesn't even grasp the core of the discussion. What happened here was a demand, from Muslims, that freedom of speech and expression be destroyed in order to appease their sensibilities. What DogOnPorch wrote was entirely accurate. There was not even a scintilla of scapegoating taking place.

This is perhaps the fourth time in as many days that you're misusing basic English terms, and a simple consultation of the dictionary is needed to put down your ridiculous assertions.

Edited September 28, 2012 by kraychik

kraychik · September 28, 2012

You're highly susceptible to being disgusted. This is someone akin to what people (you say) do when they accuse you of racism. If you're that easily disgusted, then you might not want to discuss your views on this board.

How about replying to the substance of my post ? And why again are we indulging in a discussion that's meant to scapegoat one religion - you haven't answered that one yet.

Your politics are disgusting. You're continuing on with labelling DogOnPorch as a Nazi, although you may not even realise it. The term "scapegoating" is typically used in political discourse to refer to how Nazis persecuted the Jews. Considering you already made a not-so-subtle suggestion that I am a Nazi, you're now doubling down on it and accusing DogOnPorch of Nazi-like sensibilities by stating that he is engaging in scapegoating. That's two people in this thread (and perhaps by extension Wild Bill) who you've described as Nazis. Why do you resort to this despicable line of attack? Because you can't contribute anything substantive.

DogOnPorch · September 28, 2012

Where ? two sentences later in your post:

L'il ol' Moi: I'm commenting on the religious hate rally that occurred in Toronto last weekend. That was the religion Islam asking for special privileges in terms of everybody else's rights.

Off you go.

Well...they were. They called for blasphemy laws in Canada while calling for the death of an individual in some cases and just plain ol' Jews in others. It wasn't pretty and there were more than just a few 'extremists' at this affair.

Off you go.

kraychik · September 28, 2012

Well...they were. They called for blasphemy laws in Canada while calling for the death of an individual in some cases and just plain ol' Jews in others. It wasn't pretty and there were more than just a few 'extremists' at this affair.

Off you go.

And these demands are happening in many places around the world. Not just Tunis, Benghazi, Khartoum, and Cairo, but Paris, Rome, London, Bern, Sydney, and Toronto. Michael Hardner refuses to acknowledge the common denominator because he is committed to wearing his ideological blindfold.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Please explain where DogOnPorch engaged in any scapegoating with this statement. Where is he casting blame onto a certain group for the ills of others?

It's pretty obvious. He's casting blame onto an entire group for the ills of a few fervent louts. Do you need such a long post to clarify such a simple thing ?

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Your politics are disgusting.

We've established your emotional reaction to my arguments. Let's move on - you don't need to keep restating how upset you are.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

It wasn't pretty and there were more than just a few 'extremists' at this affair.

I don't think that's true. No evidence has been provided to support your statement - do you yourself have any ?

kraychik · September 28, 2012

We've established your emotional reaction to my arguments. Let's move on - you don't need to keep restating how upset you are.

In other words, you won't own up to resorting to despicable attacks against other users by implying that they are Nazi-like. That's fine, nobody's expecting an apology from you.

kraychik · September 28, 2012

I don't think that's true. No evidence has been provided to support your statement - do you yourself have any ?

Right, because until you read about something it doesn't exist? So until the CBC reports on all the Islamist demonstrations in Europe calling for the same destruction of freedom of speech and expression, these demonstrations didn't take place, right? Considering the CBC refused to report on these events in order to shield people like you from truths you don't have the honesty to acknowledge, it's not surprising that you're unaware of the same events happening in many parts of the world from the usual suspects.

This is another teachable moment: If a tree falls in the woods and Michael Hardner isn't there to hear it, does it make a sound?

DogOnPorch · September 28, 2012

It's pretty obvious. He's casting blame onto an entire group for the ills of a few fervent louts. Do you need such a long post to clarify such a simple thing ?

So you believe the mass riots we've been seeing on a daily basis are just a few fervent louts? Well, there's yer problem....

kraychik · September 28, 2012

So you believe the mass riots we've been seeing on a daily basis are just a few fervent louts? Well, there's yer problem....

Yeah, it's just a tiny winy eensie weensy fringe minority of extremists. Better to not pay attention to them. Out of sight, out of mind.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

...nobody's expecting an apology from you.

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I don't agree that I am disgusting. Now, moving on.

Do you deny that religious scapegoating was a salient feature of one of our major opponents of WW2 ? There was an entire propaganda arm that blamed a religion for problems of that era. I see it very similar to the situation we have today. Immigration and terrorism are being well managed by a succession of governments in our country, governments that are have diverse ideologies.

I don't see the point of coming onto a web board and showing videos of a few idiots, then tying it to a billion people who you effectively want to keep out of the country. From the behavior of you and several posters like you, there doesn't seem to be much interest in having a discussion but instead you get 'disgusted' at the drop of a hat, and go off on tirades in post after post.

Luckily, most of the country has moved on and is glad to adjust to the new way of the world: open, multicultural and prosperous.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Michael Hardner

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

So you believe the mass riots we've been seeing on a daily basis are just a few fervent louts? Well, there's yer problem....

There are mass riots every day in Canada ? Really ? Link away, if you can.

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Right, because until you read about something it doesn't exist?

Proof lies with the positive claimant.

DogOnPorch · September 28, 2012

There are mass riots every day in Canada ? Really ? Link away, if you can.

Ah...so you seek to separate things into little boxes. Am I reading you right that you see no connection between what happened in Toronto with what happened elsewhere?

Michael Hardner · September 28, 2012

Ah...so you seek to separate things into little boxes. Am I reading you right that you see no connection between what happened in Toronto with what happened elsewhere?

Let's be specific - are we talking about Toronto, Canada or the world ?

kraychik · September 28, 2012

Sydney and Antwerp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqKRwU_DBNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzu7JcYzlI

Paris.

I don't want to waste more time linking, but it's also happened in many other cities, including Athens, Copenhagen, and Oslo.

DogOnPorch · September 28, 2012

Yeah, it's just a tiny winy eensie weensy fringe minority of extremists. Better to not pay attention to them. Out of sight, out of mind.

What I saw during my recent 60 day vacation from MLW was the "Islamic World" go nutz over a film that doesn't even rate the humor found in Jihad Suicide Hotline while blood runs in rivers in Syria and little girls in Pakistan are accused of blasphemy.