Muslim beheads Christian

[Mr.Canada]

Liberal speaker Tawfiq Okasha recently appeared on "Egypt Today," airing a video of Muslims cutting off the head of a young man out for the crime of converting to Christianity in this case, the crime of converting to Christianity and refusing to give it up. The video is immensely graphic it can be seen here

A Muslim in Tunisia beheads a Christian for the grave offense of becoming a Christian and refusing to renounce his faith. he did this while a crowd watched and did nothing. These are the people who are going to lead Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia and are supposedly our equals here in the west. This is leftist brainwashing and white guilt trips at work. These Muslims believe it is their duty to rid the world of Christians. Unbelieveable.

[Shady]

A Muslim in Tunisia beheads a Christian for the grave offense of becoming a Christian and refusing to renounce his faith. he did this while a crowd watched and did nothing. These are the people who are going to lead Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia and are supposedly our equals here in the west. This is leftist brainwashing and white guilt trips at work. These Muslims believe it is their duty to rid the world of Christians. Unbelieveable.

Islam. The religion of peace.

It's more than ironic that it's the most violent religion by leaps and bounds. Of course, we're not allowed to actually admit to reality, or else we'll be accused of some type of racism. Of course, if this was any other religion, particularly Christianity, we'd be absolutely cleared to point out the problem.

[kraychik]

But, but, but.... what about "Christian terrorism"?!

[bud]

Islam. The religion of peace.

all 1.6 billion muslims around the globe are out on the streets rejoicing and sending congratulatory text messages that an infidel has been beheaded.

It's more than ironic that it's the most violent religion by leaps and bounds.

it's too bad that they don't have airplanes, helicopters and drones to kill people. because then killing people would be acceptable.

[bleeding heart]

A Muslim in Tunisia beheads a Christian for the grave offense of becoming a Christian and refusing to renounce his faith. he did this while a crowd watched and did nothing. These are the people who are going to lead Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia and are supposedly our equals here in the west. This is leftist brainwashing and white guilt trips at work.

Uh, no: this is demonstrably the behaviour of arch-conservatives at work.

The literal opposite of your assertion.

[kraychik]

Uh, no: this is demonstrably the behaviour of arch-conservatives at work.

The literal opposite of your assertion.

A conservative Islamist in Egypt is hardly a conservative in America or Canada. Conservatism varies based on context depending on what is is that is trying to be conserved.

Islamism is a leftist ideology, though, in the sense that it is prescribes a large government with a wide breadth of control over the individual. It shares much in common with other leftist ideologies such as communism, Nazism, and socialism.

Edited September 24, 2012 by kraychik

[bleeding heart]

A conservative Islamist in Egypt is hardly a conservative in America or Canada. Conservatism varies based on context depending on what is is that is trying to be conserved.

Islamism is a leftist ideology, though, in the sense that it is prescribes a large government with a wide breadth of control over the individual. It shares much in common with other leftist ideologies such as communism, Nazism, and socialism.

The Islamists are conservative, not leftist; you don't get any more conservative than these guys.

As for the Nazis...well, you have already been schooled on your delusions, whether you pretend it didn't happen or not. The Nazis (and fascists generally) were a right-wing phenomenon, with a few lefty qualities tossed in for good measure. But in essence, right-wingers.

Edited September 24, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Michael Hardner]

In any case, this thread is yet another example of somebody trying to tie extreme acts to every Muslim on the planet for the apparent purpose of feeling good about themselves. I have never been a fan of this overly emotional threads... if you want to bray and howl, you should just record it on mp3 and email it to each other.

[kraychik]

The Islamists are conservative, not leftist; you don't get any more conservative than these guys.

So you think that conservatism is the opposite of leftism in all circumstances? Interesting. You really are an amateur when it comes to political philosophy.

As for the Nazis...well, you have already been schooled on your delusions, whether you pretend it didn't happen or not. The Nazis (and fascists generally) were a right-wing phenomenon, with a few lefty qualities tossed in for good measure. But in essence, right-wingers.

Nope. They're left-wing by most important measures.

[Michael Hardner]

And let's also take the opportunity to slam left-wing politics - also to make ourselves feel good.

[kraychik]

In any case, this thread is yet another example of somebody trying to tie extreme acts to every Muslim on the planet for the apparent purpose of feeling good about themselves. I have never been a fan of this overly emotional threads... if you want to bray and howl, you should just record it on mp3 and email it to each other.

You're the one interpreting it was being "tied to every Muslim on the planet". What exists within Islam is a strain of extremism that is unique and pervasive, despite your attempt to draw false moral equivalences with "Christian terrorism" in Paris.

[Michael Hardner]

You're the one interpreting it was being "tied to every Muslim on the planet".

"These Muslims believe it is their duty to rid the world of Christians."

"Islam. The religion of peace. (roll eyes)"

"Islamism is a leftist ideology, though, in the sense that it is prescribes a large government with a wide breadth of control over the individual. It shares much in common with other leftist ideologies such as communism, Nazism, and socialism. "

What exists within Islam is a strain of extremism that is unique and pervasive, despite your attempt to

draw false moral equivalences with "Christian terrorism" in Paris.

Your assertions about this religion causing people to become violence are unprovable. I would sooner tie them to a prejudice you're holding against Islam, but then you'd all blubber about me calling you a racist.

Again, we've talked about this so many times on here and nobody has proven anything close to the idea that this religion causes people to be violent. If you have something new to add, please feel free.

[Shady]

You're the one interpreting it was being "tied to every Muslim on the planet". What exists within Islam is a strain of extremism that is unique and pervasive, despite your attempt to draw false moral equivalences with "Christian terrorism" in Paris.

Exactly. And intellectually dishonest people like Michael, just make these types of threads more common. Consider it blowback.

[Michael Hardner]

Exactly. And intellectually dishonest people like Michael, just make these types of threads more common. Consider it blowback.

Let's talk about honesty: can you be honest about why you don't like Muslims ?

[Shady]

Your assertions about this religion causing people to become violence are unprovable. I would sooner tie them to a prejudice you're holding against Islam, but then you'd all blubber about me calling you a racist.

Nobody's pre-judging anything. They're post-judgning incident like this one, that for some reason, are all to common amoung Islam. Not all, but a significant minority, and an extreme minority that's much, much larger than anything seen in the other major religions. Why can't you just admit that?

Again, we've talked about this so many times on here and nobody has proven anything close to the idea that this religion causes people to be violent.

It definitely causes more extremism. That's impossible to deny.

Edited September 24, 2012 by Shady

[Shady]

Let's talk about honesty: can you be honest about why you don't like Muslims ?

I neither like or dislike Muslims. Just like I neither like, nor dislike any particular people in general. However, I'm also honest enough to know when one religion, at this point in time, has a significantly larger problem with extremism than any other of the major religions.

[bleeding heart]

So you think that conservatism is the opposite of leftism in all circumstances? Interesting. You really are an amateur when it comes to political philosophy.

I think you're arguing with yourself, or with a phantom of your imagination.

Nope. They're left-wing by most important measures.

I understand this is conmforting to the I-Hate-the Left obssessives--who, let's face it, tend to be somewhat hostile to thought--but unfortunately for your worldview, this is flatly untrue, and edges close to the opposite of the facts.

[Michael Hardner]

Nobody's pre-judging anything. They're post-judgning incident like this one, that for some reason, are all to common amoung Islam. [sic]

It's "common" to those like you who have already made up their minds.

This is exactly why it's called prejudice. Please don't complain to me about the definition, I'm not PC language police for your sensitivities in this regard.

Not all, but a significant minority, and an extreme minority that's much, much larger than anything seen in the other major religions. Why can't you just admit that?

Now, we're at adding "significant minority" and if we continue you'll add a bunch of other qualifications, ending by adding the word "culture" and we'll be far from the general the anti-Muslim statements above. Why do those who denigrate a whole religion always seem to argue this way ?

[kraychik]

"These Muslims believe it is their duty to rid the world of Christians."

"Islam. The religion of peace. (roll eyes)"

"Islamism is a leftist ideology, though, in the sense that it is prescribes a large government with a wide breadth of control over the individual. It shares much in common with other leftist ideologies such as communism, Nazism, and socialism. "

Your assertions about this religion causing people to become violence are unprovable. I would sooner tie them to a prejudice you're holding against Islam, but then you'd all blubber about me calling you a racist.

Again, we've talked about this so many times on here and nobody has proven anything close to the idea that this religion causes people to be violent. If you have something new to add, please feel free.

Another teachable moment - a leftist like Michael Hardner asserts that Islamic/ist terrorism is a response to "racism" from people like me. That's about as compelling of an argument as the "Twinkie Defence".

Let's also educate Michael Hardner about the definition of "racism".

Racism:

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Since Muslims don't constitute a race, by definition a perception of Islam/Muslims cannot be racism. This ridiculous accusation of racism isn't new, Josef Stalin accused America of "racism" against "Russian-speaking races".

[kraychik]

I think you're arguing with yourself, or with a phantom of your imagination.

I understand this is conmforting to the I-Hate-the Left obssessives--who, let's face it, tend to be somewhat hostile to thought--but unfortunately for your worldview, this is flatly untrue, and edges close to the opposite of the facts.

Considering you don't even know what conservatism entails, there's not really much point in continuing this dialogue, is there? You literally think "ultra-conservative" Islamists have something in common with American/Canadian conservatives because they both share a word. Nevermind the fact that the meaning of conservatism is contingent on context. Go do some political science 101, then get back to me.

[Michael Hardner]

I neither like or dislike Muslims.

Do you *like* peoples that you mock ? It seems like strange behavior.

Just as strange and as cowardly as mocking Muslims on a thread, then denying that you dislike them. It's odd behavior, I have to say.

...one religion, at this point in time, has a significantly larger problem with extremism than any other of the major religions.

Every religion is different, and has problems. Do you denigrate the others too ? Anti-Christians tend to denigrate the Catholic church based on their particular problems - is that all ok ?

If so, what's the point ? Where does discussion come from such an approach ?

[Shady]

It's "common" to those like you who have already made up their minds.

It's not about making up my mind. It's about acknowledging reality.

This is exactly why it's called prejudice.

Yes, in the same way one is prejudice that winter is usually cold.

Now, we're at adding "significant minority" and if we continue you'll add a bunch of other qualifications, ending by adding the word "culture" and we'll be far from the general the anti-Muslim statements above. Why do those who denigrate a whole religion always seem to argue this way ?

I say significant minority because it's more than just one or two people here and there. Why can't you recognize, that at this point in time, for whatever reasons, Islam has a bigger problem with extremism than any of the other major religions? Why is it so hard for you? Why are you so intellectually dishonest when it comes to this subject?

[Michael Hardner]

Another teachable moment - a leftist like Michael Hardner asserts that Islamic/ist terrorism is a response to "racism" from people like me. That's about as compelling of an argument as the "Twinkie Defence".

Not sure why you call me a leftist, but I didn't say that.

[Wild Bill]

Let's talk about honesty: can you be honest about why you don't like Muslims ?

Personally, I have nothing against Muslims. No more or less than any other religion.

Islamists however are a different kettle of fish. There are Islamist cultures in many backward countries in the middle east.

As far as I am concerned by their acts I judge them. They are beasts, not men. Primitives who are barely above cannibalism and even that would not surprise me.

It's as if we discovered a jungle tribe of cavemen who through some accident were also Christians!

They are a disgrace not just to modern Muslims but to Mankind as a species.

We should treat them as the mad dogs they are!

Tell it to David Pearl!

[kraychik]

Michael Hardner's position illustrated.