bud Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) how can anyone take this man and the neo-cons seriously? despite Top Israeli and U.S. officials agree Iran is a rational actor, bibi continues to claim otherwise. he did this at meet the press last sunday, where he was given a platform to continue with his misinformation, totally unchallenged by the host. ironically, it was around 10 years ago when dick cheney went on meet the press to sell lies before the war on iraq. other garbage that came out of bibi was that iran is 6 months away from being....10% away from having a bomb. right. the israeli government has been trying to tell us the dangers of iran for a while. here is an article from salon: Israel on Iran: So wrong for so long The extremely long history of incorrect Israeli predictions about when Iran will obtain a nuclear bomb Officials at the U.S. Department of State, we learned from the secret cables released by WikiLeaks last week, have serious questions about the accuracy — and sincerity — of Israeli predictions about when Iran will obtain a nuclear weapon. As one State official wrote in response to an Israeli general’s November 2009 claim that Iran would have a bomb in one year: “It is unclear if the Israelis firmly believe this or are using worst-case estimates to raise greater urgency from the United States.” So we thought this was as good a time as any to look at the remarkable history of incorrect Israeli predictions about Iran — especially given that the WikiLeaks trove is being used to argue that an attack on Iran is becoming more likely. According to various Israeli government predictions over the years, Iran was going to have a bomb by the mid-90s — or 1998, 1999, 2000, 2004, 2005, and finally 2010. More recent Israeli predictions have put that date at 2011 or 2014. Edited September 20, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Black Dog Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 60 per cent of the time, it works every time. Quote
bud Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) came across this video. they're able to get different perspectives from so-called experts and by the average person who live in israel: Edited September 20, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Wild Bill Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 This line of reasoning makes no sense to me at all! First off, there are always experts on both sides of any issue. You can pick from either side to prove anything. Second, they are still only opinions! Israel can't afford to play with opinions. If someone drops a nuke on Tel Aviv, who gives a hoot about opinions? Intel is never 100% accurate. The bigger question is always, can you afford to ignore a threat? The rhetoric out of Iran has been a two-edged sword. If Iran gets the Bomb they will instantly become the pre-eminent Arab country in that region, displacing even Saudi Arabia. All of her neighbours will have to dance to Iran's tune. It's unlikely those countries are happy with that idea. While Iran keeps ratcheting up its propaganda about its nuclear capabilities they are also causing more and more fear to Israel. We saw what happened with Saddam when he tried to make the world believe he had WMDs. The world believed him! That's why he got invaded, deposed and eventually killed. It's like someone with a big bomb playing games with a match. If he scares someone enough, they might feel they have no choice but to shoot him! Meanwhile, it would seem some people are trying to tell Israel "Oh, you're just being silly! Stop being so paranoid!", as if Israel has absolutely no reason at all to fear anything Iran might do. As I said, it makes no sense to me at all. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bud Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Posted September 20, 2012 This line of reasoning makes no sense to me at all! First off, there are always experts on both sides of any issue. You can pick from either side to prove anything. Second, they are still only opinions! Israel can't afford to play with opinions. If someone drops a nuke on Tel Aviv, who gives a hoot about opinions? netanyahu and barak are only experts at selling. we have generals and former generals on both sides who rely on proof and experience who make these comments. they don't make the comments out of thin air. all you see out of netanyahu and the neo-cons is b.s. with no proof to back their comments. this has been shown time and again. Intel is never 100% accurate. The bigger question is always, can you afford to ignore a threat? what threat? when all intelligence agencies, including the israeli and u.s. agencies say that iran hasn't even started to make nuclear weapons, then there is no threat. it's not like they can wake up morning and say: "today we will make the weapons and tomorrow we will nuke israel." The rhetoric out of Iran has been a two-edged sword. If Iran gets the Bomb they will instantly become the pre-eminent Arab country in that region, iran is not an arab country. if anything nuclear weapons have shown is that they deter military strikes from neighbouring countries. look at india, pakistan and israel. displacing even Saudi Arabia. All of her neighbours will have to dance to Iran's tune. no they wouldn't. it would be suicidal for them to try anything. they're surrounded by military bases. there are american submarines with nuclear warheads ready to be launched at iran. It's unlikely those countries are happy with that idea. and iran is not happy about being surrounded by u.s. military bases. there are a lot of unhappy people. While Iran keeps ratcheting up its propaganda about its nuclear capabilities they are also causing more and more fear to Israel. We saw what happened with Saddam when he tried to make the world believe he had WMDs. The world believed him! That's why he got invaded, deposed and eventually killed. uhm? what world do you live on? did you miss the part where the neo-cons used fake evidence and lied and tried to sell an attack on iraq? iraq continuously denied having nuclear weapons. what's wrong with you? As I said, it makes no sense to me at all. i can see why. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Wild Bill Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 did you miss the part where the neo-cons used fake evidence and lied and tried to sell an attack on iraq? iraq continuously denied having nuclear weapons. what's wrong with you? What's wrong with YOU? Saddam never claimed to have the Bomb. He claimed to have chemical weapons. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bud Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) What's wrong with YOU? Saddam never claimed to have the Bomb. He claimed to have chemical weapons. this comment by you is pure fantasy: We saw what happened with Saddam when he tried to make the world believe he had WMDs. The world believed him! That's why he got invaded, deposed and eventually killed. how can we have a debate when your comments are not based on reality and instead on some alternate universe? Edited September 20, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
GoodGrief Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 While Iran keeps ratcheting up its propaganda about its nuclear capabilities they are also causing more and more fear to Israel Pot. Kettle. Black. Quote
eyeball Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 If Iran gets the Bomb they will instantly become the pre-eminent Arab country in that region, displacing even Saudi Arabia. All of her neighbours will have to dance to Iran's tune. If Iran gets the bomb they will instantly become the Arab country in that region least likely to be invaded by anyone, least of all by Israel. Iran will not have to dance to anyone's tune. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 If Iran gets the bomb they will instantly become the Arab country in that region least likely to be invaded by anyone, least of all by Israel. Iran will not have to dance to anyone's tune. Iran is not an Arabic country. Quote
dre Posted September 21, 2012 Report Posted September 21, 2012 The rhetoric out of Iran has been a two-edged sword. If Iran gets the Bomb they will instantly become the pre-eminent Arab country in that region, Iran is persian not arabic. And Im not so sure you are right about that. I think a nuclear Iran would look a lot like a nuclear pakistan does. Nobody is really "dancing to their tune", they just dont have to worry as much about another bloody conflict with india. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted September 23, 2012 Report Posted September 23, 2012 Iran is not an Arabic country. Whatever. The point I'm making still stands. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kraychik Posted September 24, 2012 Report Posted September 24, 2012 came across this video. they're able to get different perspectives from so-called experts and by the average person who live in israel: Sorry to break it to you, but the people in that video certainly don't represent "the average" Israeli. Quote
bud Posted September 24, 2012 Author Report Posted September 24, 2012 so how will obama treat netanyahu in his last term? considering that bibi has tried to go over the head of obama. NYT Shaul Mofaz, the leader of Israel’s centrist Kadima party, posed three questions this month to Benjamin Netanyahu. Speaking in the Knesset, he said: “Prime minister, tell me, who is our biggest enemy, the U.S. or Iran? Who do you want replaced, Ahmadinejad or Obama? How low are you prepared to drag relations with our closest ally?” Ouch. Netanyahu has talked himself into a corner on Iran. He has set so many “red lines” on the Iranian nuclear program nobody can remember them. He has taken to fuming publicly over President Obama’s refusal to do the same. Of late he has juggled metaphors: Iran is now “20 yards” from “touchdown.” His cry-wolf dilemma comes right out of a children’s book. It was in 1992 that he said Iran was three to five years from nuclear capacity. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.