Canadian pedophile outing website goes live!

[Mr.Canada]

No longer can pedophiles hide in our communities preying on our children. No longer will they be able to hide behind the bushes in our school yards salivating while our children play. This is long overdue, these people, and I use that term loosely as these people are bare human, Canada and it's citizens deserve to know when and where these creeps are in our communities.

Here is the website. StopPedophiles.ca

"Once you commit that kind of a crime, in fact once you commit any crime, you become a public figure," he said.

"Currently in this country they have more rights than the kids do," she said.

"They're the ones the committed the crime.

"There is always a caution about vigilantism, although I'm more confident that the majority of our citizens are more concerned about public awareness."

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Long long overdue. Our children deserve this protection.

[TheNewTeddy]

This is generally a good idea, but more needs to be done to prevent vigilante "justice"

[Guest American Woman]

No longer can pedophiles hide in our communities preying on our children. Canada and it's citizens deserve to know when and where these creeps are in our communities.

By definition, a pedophile is "an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children," which doesn't make them a criminal. IOW, any pedophile who has not molested a child is not a criminal, and not in the database you are referring to.

[...] these people, and I use that term loosely as these people are bare human,

Pedophiles are born with a sexual attraction to children; they don't choose it, and if they do not act on their sexual urges, again, they are not criminals - nor are they deserving of your contempt.

Long long overdue. Our children deserve this protection.

There is a data base for anyone who has committed a crime - including DUI - so it stands to reason that anyone who is guilty of sexually assaulting a child should be included in such a data base, but it sounds as if this website goes one step further and picks names out of that database and lists pedophile criminals specifically - which is a good idea. It's not a bad idea for any 'predator' type crimes/criminals. IOW, I agree with this - Once you commit that kind of a crime, in fact once you commit any crime, you become a public figure," he said. Perhaps it will make some think twice before acting on such urges, as the 'public humiliation' may be the worst 'punishment' he/she receives, and therefore the strongest deterrent.

[bleeding heart]

Pedophiles are born with a sexual attraction to children; they don't choose it, and if they do not act on their sexual urges, again, they are not criminals - nor are they deserving of your contempt.

A fair point. In fact, actively avoiding acting on one's sexual predilections can be somewhat difficult. I don't mean to overstate this; I don't mean a person should be applauded for adhering to basic moral norms, as it should be expected of us all. But it's good to recognize, as you say, that "pedophile" is a condition, not an evil...it's all about behaviour, the only thing that matters here.

[Guest Manny]

I don't understand. Am I not entitled to be repulsed by the behaviour of pedophiles and thereby dislike them?

[bleeding heart]

I don't understand. Am I not entitled to be repulsed by the behaviour of pedophiles and thereby dislike them?

Indeed, elementary morality virtually demands it.

American Woman and I were simply parsing the difference between the condition of being a pedophile, and of acting on one's pedophilic desires.

That is, the difference between pedophilia and sexual assault of children.

A person can be a pedophile without ever acting on his desires.

[Guest American Woman]

...actively avoiding acting on one's sexual predilections can be somewhat difficult. I don't mean to overstate this; I don't mean a person should be applauded for adhering to basic moral norms, as it should be expected of us all.

I agree with you - and might I add, while adhering to basic moral norms is expected, required, of us all, the rest of us aren't required to live without sexual fulfillment with another person - so I, too, recognize how difficult it must be, and I think a certain amount of 'giving credit where credit is due' is not out of line - which is what I think you were getting at.

And because of the reality that society in general often condemns them just because of their thoughts and desires, even if they haven't acted on them, it's likely that many have to deal with self-loathing as a result - and may have a fear of even seeking professional help, lest they be judged or 'outed' or just too ashamed to admit it. I think it's a difficult life, and it is important, I think, that people recognize that it is not by choice. Perhaps this could help those afflicted make better choices, and it seems to me that would have positive results for society, too.

I don't understand. Am I not entitled to be repulsed by the behaviour of pedophiles and thereby dislike them?

Not all pedophiles act on their desires. As bloodyminded clearly said, "it's all about behaviour, the only thing that matters here."

Edited September 9, 2012 by American Woman

[bleeding heart]

I agree with you - and might I add, while adhering to basic moral norms is expected, required, of us all, the rest of us aren't required to live without sexual fulfillment with another person - so I, too, recognize how difficult it must be, and I think a certain amount of 'giving credit where credit is due' is not out of line - which is what I think you were getting at.

I got hesitant, and balked a little... but yes, that's just what I was getting at.

[Guest American Woman]

I got hesitant, and balked a little... but yes, that's just what I was getting at.

I thought I was reading you correctly. There's a certain discomfort involved in saying it, but I think that's society's conditioning. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving credit where credit is due, though, and as I said, it might help those afflicted. If society were to recognize their struggle and give them credit for not acting on it, rather than condemning "pedophiles" as a whole, and it were recognized as an affliction one is born with, perhaps it would take away some of the stigma attached to the condition, per se. I think if pedophiles are ashamed and feel as if their affliction needs to be hidden, they will be less likely to seek counselling and will be less likely to be able to deal with keeping their feelings in check. When someone feels all alone and has no outlet for even discussing their feelings/emotions, the problem only intensifies.

(In that regard, the title of the thread should be "Canadian criminal pedophile outing.")

[Guest Manny]

Fantasizing can also become a problem, because it can lead to acting out the fantasy. What I mean specifically is, child pornography depicted in paintings and displayed in the guise of "art".

[Guest American Woman]

Fantasizing can also become a problem, because it can lead to acting out the fantasy. What I mean specifically is, child pornography depicted in paintings and displayed in the guise of "art".

Fantasizing can lead to masturbation, which leads to release, which very well could prevent acting on the desires - and most likely does, in most instances.

[cybercoma]

No longer can pedophiles hide in our communities preying on our children. No longer will they be able to hide behind the bushes in our school yards salivating while our children play. This is long overdue, these people, and I use that term loosely as these people are bare human, Canada and it's citizens deserve to know when and where these creeps are in our communities.

Here is the website. StopPedophiles.ca

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Long long overdue. Our children deserve this protection.

How exactly does a website stop them from "hiding in our communities preying on our children?" Just wondering.

[wyly]

Fantasizing can also become a problem, because it can lead to acting out the fantasy. What I mean specifically is, child pornography depicted in paintings and displayed in the guise of "art".

everyone has sexual fantasies very few actually carry them out even if the opportunity arises...

[wyly]

How exactly does a website stop them from "hiding in our communities preying on our children?" Just wondering.

yeah it's not as if they can go anywhere else...

[g_bambino]

Pedophiles are born with a sexual attraction to children...

You believe infants have sexual attraction... Ooookaay...

[g_bambino]

American Woman and I were simply parsing the difference between the condition of being a pedophile, and of acting on one's pedophilic desires.

It's more complicated than that, I imagine. Surely there must be varying degrees of intensity of desire, from fleeting curiosity to near compulsion to act, with focus on every age between infancy and late teens. Yet, while the law (as far as I know) rightly treats someone who physically abuses young children differently than it does someone who owns pictures of young children being abused than it does someone who owns pictures of teenagers engaged in sex acts, society does not and slaps the damning label of "paedophile" on all of them, regardless, and treats them equally as pariahs. (Though, perhaps the adult women who have sex with teenage boys are treated less severely than any man who has committed the same crime.)

[bleeding heart]

You believe infants have sexual attraction... Ooookaay...

No. Only that sexual proclivity may well be innate.

Perhaps it's more complicated, but she wasn't writing her Doctoral thesis, and her point is likely broadly true.

[g_bambino]

[H]er point is likely broadly true.

I find it very difficult to believe. I won't say there are no biological factors; but, I cannot see any way that what someone sexually desires at a certain point in their adulthood and the intensity with which they desire it was determined before that individual emerged from the womb.

[bleeding heart]

I find it very difficult to believe. I won't say there are no biological factors; but, I cannot see any way that what someone sexually desires at a certain point in their adulthood and the intensity with which they desire it was determined before that individual emerged from the womb.

You could well be right, but I think the spirit of AW's and my argument is correct, even if in letter it's too flawed by shorthand and brevity.

The real point--the central point--is that there are no doubt pedophiles--lots of them--who did not decide to be pedophiles, who would prefer not to be, and who have never and would never act on their desires.

I'm not denying the massive complexity of nurture/nature in matters of sexuality; there are a lot of factors at play, no question. I'm only saying that the complexity doesn't in any way undermine AW's argument, which I think is solid.

Edited September 10, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 09 September 2012 - 10:47 AM, said: Pedophiles are born with a sexual attraction to children...

You believe infants have sexual attraction... Ooookaay...

Yeah, I'm referring to the sexual attraction of babies, not the sexually mature people they become.

[g_bambino]

The real point--the central point--is that there are no doubt pedophiles--lots of them--who did not decide to be pedophiles, who would prefer not to be, and who have never and would never act on their desires.

I'm not denying the massive complexity of nurture/nature in matters of sexuality; there are a lot of factors at play, no question. I'm only saying that the complexity doesn't in any way undermine AW's argument, which I think is solid.

Yes; in no way would I say anyone chooses to desire what they do, whether those desires are fleeting or more permanent. Nor could I say there aren't those who's desires are so set there's little to nothing they can do about them; at least, not within the remainder of their lifetimes. I agree that such matters are hugely complex. But I think that mostly because the influences on each person are so varied and numerous, and they and the way they're internalised are so unique to each individual. Biological factors aren't directly sexually related (there's no chemical or combination of chemicals that make a person sexually aroused by children); they're just as varied and are just a few in amongst all the others. I thus find the "they were born that way" argument to be far from sound; the randomness of the life ahead of them makes it impossible to say at their births who will and who will not be a paedophile later in life, in what particular way, or to what degree.

[Guest American Woman]

Perhaps "at birth" is too restrictive; it's more like it's inclusive of "brain development" at a young age. It's why so many experts say that there is no cure for pedophilia - and sadly, those afflicted are not in control of their brain development at the early stages of their lives.

[TheNewTeddy]

Regardless of cause, this will not deter. Being a pedophile is the worst thing you can be. 3rd would be Serial Killer. 2nd is Serial Rapist. Pedophile is the worst. Pedophiles know this, yet they will commit their crime. A website like this will not stop them, it will do two things; alert others to them, and, alert lawbreakers who think they are "others" to the fact that they can go beat them up.

[Guest American Woman]

Regardless of cause, this will not deter. Being a pedophile is the worst thing you can be.

Being a pedophile doesn't make one a criminal or a terrible person. Being a pedophile and being a pedophile who has sexually assaulted children are two different things. Again, they are not choosing to be sexually attracted to children; it's not a choice.

[Mr.Canada]

Being a pedophile doesn't make one a criminal or a terrible person. Being a pedophile and being a pedophile who has sexually assaulted children are two different things. Again, they are not choosing to be sexually attracted to children; it's not a choice.

I cannot believe you are defending child molesters here. I know you're left wing but I never dreamed that you'd defend these types of people.

So I guess you'd have no problem having these "people" babysitting for you then if you have children?

After all according to you the sexual desires they have are misunderstood just as homosexuals were a few years ago right?

Are you trying to bring pedophilia into the mainstream with your post? Is this your end goal? I'm seriously curious.

We're talking about convicted pedophiles here and protecting our children from these monsters.