Destruction of Palestinian homes is reported.

[Guest Peeves]

The Hamas government in the Gaza Strip plans to raze another 180 Palestinian houses, on top of the 20 it recently demolished in the southern town of Rafah, the Palestinian Center for Human Rights charged on Thursday.

The 20 houses already destroyed were home to some 150 people, who are now homeless and living in tents, the organization said.

The government said it razed the houses because they were built illegally on government land. The organization said that Hamas plans to use the same pretext to demolish houses in Khan Yunis and other towns.

Seems rather dictatorial.

I like the last line of the article, if you object...?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/hamas-to-raze-180-gaza-houses-to-erect-islamic-religious-center-1.291347

Edited August 23, 2012 by Peeves

[scribblet]

Hmmm, I guess a religious centre beats housing,

Love it, an intifada because their new decrees are unpopular. LOL

find this funny, they are taxing goods that are smuggled in from the tunnels -

This is not the first move Hamas has made recently that sparked an outcry in Gaza. Another was its decision to impose a hefty tax on the cigarettes that are smuggled in from Egypt via tunnels, and which until then were very cheap. It has also imposed taxes on various other products smuggled through the tunnels, as well as on market stalls and all shops that sell produce by weight.

[Guest American Woman]

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Edited August 24, 2012 by American Woman

[jbg]

Seems rather dictatorial.

I like the last line of the article, if you object...?

I haven't heard about this on mass media. But if the Israeli government did it.....?

[Bitsy]

I haven't heard about this on mass media. But if the Israeli government did it.....?

Maybe because that is a two year old article?

[jbg]

Maybe because that is a two year old article?

Did it make the mass media then?

[Bitsy]

Did it make the mass media then?

I have no idea, I read the article that was posted and noticed that it was dated May of 2010. Obviously, I misread your comment and thought you were questioning why it was not in today’s media. Sorry for the misread, thought I was helping.

[wyly]

Seems rather dictatorial.

it's done in our country all the time it's called expropriation

...when our government does it to us we don't like it either but it's legal... when an occupying military force(israel) does it it's called ethnic cleansing it's both illegal and immoral...there is a difference...

taxes/smuggling is their governments concern and not israel's...

[Guest American Woman]

it's done in our country all the time it's called expropriation...

Hamas police wielding clubs beat and pushed residents out of dozens of homes in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on Sunday before knocking the buildings down with bulldozers, residents said.

link

Yeah, all the time in our countries, eh?

when our government does it to us we don't like it either but it's legal...

Really? It's legal for police to wield clubs and beat and push residents out of homes before knocking them down with bulldozers?

when an occupying military force(israel) does it it's called ethnic cleansing it's both illegal and immoral...there is a difference...

And of course when Hamas police wielding clubs beat and push residents out of homes in Gaza before knocking the buildings down with bulldozers it's not illegal and immoral in your mind. It's something you defend and compare to our due process of law.

For years, Palestinians have criticized Israel for destroying houses

, mostly because they were built without permits issued by the military.

Now, Rafah residents complained, their own government, run by the Islamic militant Hamas that seized power in Gaza in July 2007, has done the same

.

Perhaps you should go there and straighten them out - explain to them that it's legal and moral, that it's not the same.

Her neighbor, Nazira Abu Jara, 56, said policewomen wearing face veils typical of conservative Muslim women beat her with clubs until she fled her house with her husband and two children.

Wow. Just wow.

[Guest American Woman]

I haven't heard about this on mass media. But if the Israeli government did it.....?

I've not heard this on mass media, but Hamas is doing it again this summer - leaving 120 Palestinians homeless. The Palestinian news agency said that the homes are on government land, but some residents are saying that they have lived there since 1948. The UN, when asked if it's going to condemn the actions, said it's a civil matter.

link

[bud]

we all agree that it's wrong, right?

[bleeding heart]

we all agree that it's wrong, right?

Ha!

I think you know the answer.

This thread is certainly not about sympathy for the Palestinian people. If anything, it's laughing at their continued plight.

Edited August 25, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Guest American Woman]

we all agree that it's wrong, right?

Wow. Your outrage is palpable.

[dre]

Wow. Your outrage is palpable.

Well at least hes not laughing at them like you are, or trying to use this to score some stupid political point.

[dre]

Maybe because that is a two year old article?

:lol:

[bud]

I haven't heard about this on mass media. But if the Israeli government did it.....?

as already mentioned, it was in may of 2010 and guess what? the media did not ignore it:

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/611a212c63be93418525772a004a1d20?OpenDocument

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6679:20-families-displaced-as-palestinian-land-authority-demolishes-homes-in-rafah-&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8687974.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37209564

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/world/middleeast/19gaza.html

i got those from a site that discussed this story in 2010. many more articles on this story were posted, but they've been, most likely, archived and i can't be bothered to search for them.

that said:

Wow. Your outrage is palpable.

the hamas government's demolishing of 12 homes in gaza, in may of 2010 was terrible. i am curious, when was the last time you showed outrage when the israeli government demolished palestinian homes on internationally recognized palestinian land, in east jerusalem and the west bank? because all i've ever seen from you is apologizing or ignoring the terrible acts by the foreign power, israel, who continues to annex and systematically ethnically cleanse palestinians out of their land. this is happening all the time.

palestinians displaced as a result of israel's house demolition on internationally recognized palestinian land:

2009: 643 people

2010: 606 people

2011: 1094 people

source: the israeli committee against house demolition

where is your outrage? where is any of your outrage?

here are some more facts:

FOLLOWING MILITARY EXERCISE, SETTLERS SEIZE CONTROL OF JORDAN VALLEY LAND

Itay Epshtain

Publication date:

Monday, July 23, 2012

Following extensive live-fire training conducted by Israeli forces in the north Jordan Valley, settlers of Ro’i seized control of 12 acres of land last week, east of Tubas.

The land now cultivated by the settlers was declared a closed military zone, and off-limits to Palestinians. earlier this month as part of routine military exercise taking place in the area. In the aftermath of military training, settlers were given possession of land, previously cultivated by neighboring Palestinian communities or otherwise used as grazing land.

56% of the Jordan Valley has been declared closed military zone, and Israel regularly carries out demolitions in Palestinian communities located within those areas. Consequently, Palestinian communities are under duress to leave the area, in what in some cases may amount to the war crime of forcible population transfer.

Since its 1967 occupation, Israel has coveted the Jordan Valley for its economic potential, and not the least for its strategic development importance in forestalling a viable Palestinian State. In his May 2011 speech to the US Congress, Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu asserted that in any final status agreement which may be reached with Palestinians, Israel would retain control over the Jordan Valley.

In 2011, house demolitions and forced evictions in the Jordan Valley have increased fivefold, in comparison with 2010. 199 structures, 44% of which were family homes, have been demolished, displacing 401 people and dispersing entire communities. These constitute 40% of residential structures demolished, and 37% of people displaced in the OPT in 2011.

In the first five months of 2012, 116 structures were demolished in the Jordan Valley (39% of the total structures demolished in the West Bank), of which 39 were family homes, resulting in the displacement of 197 people (37% of the total number of people displaced in the West Bank), and adversely affecting the livelihood of a further 772 people (42% of the total number of people affected in the West Bank).

In July 2012 the parliamentary caucus for the annexation of Area C, headed by MK Miri Regev (Likud) tabled a draft bill calling for the de-jure annexation of the Jordan Valley, with the exception of areas under the nominal control of the Palestinian Authority (Areas A and B which constitute less than 13% of the Jordan Valley). The draft bill necessities the application of Israeli sovereignty to all Jewish territory and settlements in the Jordan Valley, referring to the Palestinian statehood initiative as the pretext for annexation at this time. The draft bill further cites the long standing position of Israeli governments that in any final status agreement signed with the Palestinian Authority, Jewish settlements will remain under Israeli sovereignty. Moreover, the draft bill cites Israeli government claims that in any final status agreement, the Jordan Valley and its Jewish settlements will remain under Israeli sovereignty. Deliberations on the draft bill will begin when the Israeli Parliament resumes business in September, following the summer hiatus.

link

[boobowa]

Yep - its nasty, brutish, and very long -

Edited August 26, 2012 by boobowa

[Guest American Woman]

the hamas government's demolishing of 12 homes in gaza, in may of 2010 was terrible.

So no comments on the fact that Hamas is still doing it? That it's happening now? This summer? You chose to ignore that, and instead focus on 2010, as if it's history? Furthermore, it's been reported that Hamas destroyed as many as 40 homes in 2010. But do give Hamas the benefit of the doubt - as you tear into Israel. It speaks volumes.

[bud]

So no comments on the fact that Hamas is still doing it?

still doing what?

are you trying to say that hamas is doing to palestinians what israel is doing to palestinians? are you seriously trying to equate the two?

there are a few problems with your charade.

#1 - as the article you have posted mentioned: Asked why the UN was prepared to condemn Israel's demolitions but not Hamas's, he said: "When Israeli authorities go and demolish houses, they are in the position of the occupying power and sometimes these things are done to facilitate the movement of Israeli citizens, which is in breach of international law.

"Where the Israelis might demolish houses of the Bedouins in the Negev, we would not comment because it is within Israel."

think about that for a second. you are trying to compare what a foreign occupier does to what a government does to its own people. you also don't want to bring up that israel is demolishing bedouin homes in israel which is a good comparison with what hamas did to palestinian families.

#2 - even if you want to compare the two, the amount of palestinian house demolitions by the foreign occupier as compared to the gaza government is so different, that it doesn't make sense for you to be jumping up and down screaming 'hypocrisy!'. did you know that over 1000 palestinians became homeless, just in 2011, after israel demolished their home and confiscated their land? of course you know these things are happening, but you pretend they're not and try to confuse the real issue, which is israel's occupation and theft of palestinian land, with dishonest comparisons.

#3 - not only you don't give a sh*t about israel, the foreign occupier's house demolition and confiscation of palestinian land, but you try to justify it. now that someone has posted an article from may of 2010, you are up in arms and even posting "wow. just wow." like you're shocked by how someone could treat another person this way. but for some reason, your inability to recognize and condemn the systematic land grab and the ethnic cleansing of palestinians from east jerusalem and the west bank does not fall into your biased and warped view.

i ask again, where are your cries of justice and humanity when israel, the foreign occupier, is demolishing palestinian homes and confiscating their land to make way for jewish only homes? where is it?

palestinians displaced as a result of israel's house demolition on internationally recognized palestinian land:

2009: 643 people

2010: 606 people

2011: 1094 people

source: the israeli committee against house demolition

any of you zionist bots have a comment on this? or is that falling off the script?

Edited August 27, 2012 by bud

[Guest American Woman]

still doing what?

Hamas is still destroying Palestinians' homes. Try to jump off the 'Evil Israel' bandwagon long enough to follow along. And again, the UN is not condemning it because they consider it a civil matter - because of course the UN never has anything to say about "civil matters."

Edited August 27, 2012 by American Woman

[bud]

Hamas is still destroying Palestinians' homes. Try to jump off the 'Evil Israel' bandwagon long enough to follow along. And again, the UN is not condemning it because they consider it a civil matter - because of course the UN never has anything to say about "civil matters."

i responded to this matter. you should follow along.

it is a civil matter and the courts are involved. this is why the UN did not say anything when the bedouins were being kicked out of their homes in israel. as terrible as it is, hamas got a court order to throw the palestinians out of their homes and that is deemed legal. at the same time, whether it's legal or not, any sensible person does not want to see people being thrown out of their homes, whether they're palestinian or israeli citizens.

now back to your lack of outrage, heck, even acknowledgement of israel's continuous violation of international law when they throw palestinians out of their homes and land and then confiscate their land in favour of jewish only homes.

what say you sweetie?

a reminder:

palestinians displaced as a result of israel's house demolition on internationally recognized palestinian land:

2009: 643 people

2010: 606 people

2011: 1094 people

source: the israeli committee against house demolition

any of you zionist bots have a comment on this? or is that falling off the script?

Edited August 27, 2012 by bud

[Guest American Woman]

i responded to this matter. you should follow along.

Really? So your response to Hamas still destroying Palestinian homes now, this summer, was "the hamas government's demolishing of 12 homes in gaza, in may of 2010 was terrible." Gotcha.

[bud]

Really? So your response to Hamas still destroying Palestinian homes now, this summer, was "the hamas government's demolishing of 12 homes in gaza, in may of 2010 was terrible." Gotcha.

this was my response:

are you trying to say that hamas is doing to palestinians what israel is doing to palestinians? are you seriously trying to equate the two?

there are a few problems with your charade.

#1 - as the article you have posted mentioned: Asked why the UN was prepared to condemn Israel's demolitions but not Hamas's, he said: "When Israeli authorities go and demolish houses, they are in the position of the occupying power and sometimes these things are done to facilitate the movement of Israeli citizens, which is in breach of international law.

"Where the Israelis might demolish houses of the Bedouins in the Negev, we would not comment because it is within Israel."

think about that for a second. you are trying to compare what a foreign occupier does to what a government does to its own people. you also don't want to bring up that israel is demolishing bedouin homes in israel which is a good comparison with what hamas did to palestinian families.

#2 - even if you want to compare the two, the amount of palestinian house demolitions by the foreign occupier as compared to the gaza government is so different, that it doesn't make sense for you to be jumping up and down screaming 'hypocrisy!'. did you know that over 1000 palestinians became homeless, just in 2011, after israel demolished their home and confiscated their land? of course you know these things are happening, but you pretend they're not and try to confuse the real issue, which is israel's occupation and theft of palestinian land, with dishonest comparisons.

#3 - not only you don't give a sh*t about israel, the foreign occupier's house demolition and confiscation of palestinian land, but you try to justify it. now that someone has posted an article from may of 2010, you are up in arms and even posting "wow. just wow." like you're shocked by how someone could treat another person this way. but for some reason, your inability to recognize and condemn the systematic land grab and the ethnic cleansing of palestinians from east jerusalem and the west bank does not fall into your biased and warped view.

i ask again, where are your cries of justice and humanity when israel, the foreign occupier, is demolishing palestinian homes and confiscating their land to make way for jewish only homes? where is it?

palestinians displaced as a result of israel's house demolition on internationally recognized palestinian land:

2009: 643 people

2010: 606 people

2011: 1094 people

source: the israeli committee against house demolition

any of you zionist bots have a comment on this? or is that falling off the script?

and if that wasn't enough, i added to it:

it is a civil matter and the courts are involved. this is why the UN did not say anything when the bedouins were being kicked out of their homes in israel. as terrible as it is, hamas got a court order to throw the palestinians out of their homes and that is deemed legal. at the same time, whether it's legal or not, any sensible person does not want to see people being thrown out of their homes, whether they're palestinian or israeli citizens.

now back to your lack of outrage, heck, even acknowledgement of israel's continuous violation of international law when they throw palestinians out of their homes and land and then confiscate their land in favour of jewish only homes.

what say you sweetie?

Edited August 27, 2012 by bud

[Guest American Woman]

this was my response: [...]

what say you sweetie?

I say your response was exactly as I said it was. Or should I say 'non-response.'

[jbg]

as already mentioned, it was in may of 2010 and guess what? the media did not ignore it:

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/611a212c63be93418525772a004a1d20?OpenDocument

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6679:20-families-displaced-as-palestinian-land-authority-demolishes-homes-in-rafah-&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8687974.stm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37209564

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/world/middleeast/19gaza.html

i got those from a site that discussed this story in 2010. many more articles on this story were posted, but they've been, most likely, archived and i can't be bothered to search for them.

Nothing like the firestorm that erupts when Israel collaterally damages a single apartment building that was deliberately occupied by "fighters" in order to create a human shield.