TheNewTeddy Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It should be noted that while the NDP can (and I think probably will) win this seat, they can not win Vaughan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 KW will NOT go NDP.. Mark my words... Its an Industrial town heavy on Tool and Die making and a town filled with people of strong pride and work ethic.. They will NEVER vote NDP.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 KW will NOT go NDP.. Mark my words... Its an Industrial town heavy on Tool and Die making and a town filled with people of strong pride and work ethic.. They will NEVER vote NDP.. Well Fletch, I spent years selling electronic parts to manufacturers in that area and I would tend to agree with you. Still, never underestimate the NDP. They have very hardworking followers who will roll up their sleeves and work from dawn to well after dusk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 KW will NOT go NDP.. Mark my words... Its an Industrial town heavy on Tool and Die making and a town filled with people of strong pride and work ethic.. They will NEVER vote NDP.. Within 10 years at either the federal or provincial level, the NDP will win this riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The NDP will not be a party in 10 years! The 905 will consume the 519 in just a few years due to sprawl and yes... it will REMAIN a Tory stronghold. The NDP will be having anual love-ins in Down-Town toronto comprised of a Jhon Lennon look-alike and Elizabeth May leading the ewly named GNDP.. the NEW NDP utopia comprised of Jack Layton mustaches and aged folks still "hanging around" from the "great occupy movement" of.... whatever year that was.. Within 10 years at either the federal or provincial level, the NDP will win this riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 IN this current political climate of labour hate because some people fought to job security and better wages, I'd prefer NDP in this seat to balance it out a bit more. We have both PC and LIB on the labour hate side right now. Either way, I just hope the citizens of KW have enough sense to NOT give the Liberals another majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 IN this current political climate of labour hate because some people fought to job security and better wages, I'd prefer NDP in this seat to balance it out a bit more. We have both PC and LIB on the labour hate side right now. Either way, I just hope the citizens of KW have enough sense to NOT give the Liberals another majority. Well, you can have any hope or wish you want but an INFORMED opinion is based on reason and evidence! IMHO, the NDP have only a weak chance of taking this KW seat, unless the Tory candidate does something incredibly stupid. After all, for the past two elections the party leader has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! This is not likely to change over the years. The more the NDP becomes identified with 416 Toronto the more the rest of Ontario will become alienated from them. The culture of old Toronto is VERY different from most of the rest of the province! The NDP has found itself walking a tightrope in many areas. Having all that support in Quebec gives rise to some very fundamental differences. Mulcair has his work cut out for him. Plus, he has to continue Jack's path of becoming less of a fringe socialist party and more like a modern Labour Party a la Tony Blair. The key to winning elections in Canada is not the way of Syd Ryan or Buzz Hargrove. The centre is all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Nicely put! A realist..... Refreshing.... Well, you can have any hope or wish you want but an INFORMED opinion is based on reason and evidence! IMHO, the NDP have only a weak chance of taking this KW seat, unless the Tory candidate does something incredibly stupid. After all, for the past two elections the party leader has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! This is not likely to change over the years. The more the NDP becomes identified with 416 Toronto the more the rest of Ontario will become alienated from them. The culture of old Toronto is VERY different from most of the rest of the province! The NDP has found itself walking a tightrope in many areas. Having all that support in Quebec gives rise to some very fundamental differences. Mulcair has his work cut out for him. Plus, he has to continue Jack's path of becoming less of a fringe socialist party and more like a modern Labour Party a la Tony Blair. The key to winning elections in Canada is not the way of Syd Ryan or Buzz Hargrove. The centre is all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well, you can have any hope or wish you want but an INFORMED opinion is based on reason and evidence! IMHO, the NDP have only a weak chance of taking this KW seat, unless the Tory candidate does something incredibly stupid. After all, for the past two elections the party leader has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! This is not likely to change over the years. The more the NDP becomes identified with 416 Toronto the more the rest of Ontario will become alienated from them. The culture of old Toronto is VERY different from most of the rest of the province! The NDP has found itself walking a tightrope in many areas. Having all that support in Quebec gives rise to some very fundamental differences. Mulcair has his work cut out for him. Plus, he has to continue Jack's path of becoming less of a fringe socialist party and more like a modern Labour Party a la Tony Blair. The key to winning elections in Canada is not the way of Syd Ryan or Buzz Hargrove. The centre is all! I never said that I expect them to win heheh. I know the PC's will likely hold it. I wish for that at very minimum. No more majorities for Dalton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I never said that I expect them to win heheh. I know the PC's will likely hold it. I wish for that at very minimum. No more majorities for Dalton. Well, as I said, the PC party leader has twice snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! I'm not sure just what is wrong with Tim Hudak. I think maybe he is just too young and comes on TOO middle of the road! It could be him or he could have bad advisers but he always seems so "beige". Mike Harris may have been a Mr. Burns but Hudak always seems more like Principal Skinner. If you want a power plant to be run successfully you choose the former. If you want the students to run your school you go for the latter. Hudak keeps losing because he just seems boring, at least IMHO. His whole approach has always seemed to be "Vote for ME! I'm not as bad as the other guy!" Ontario desperately needs another Mike Harris. All the focus has been on how non-working people are hurting. Harris focused on helping working people and more than that, trying to INCREASE the number of working people! You have to bake the pie before you can share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well, as I said, the PC party leader has twice snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! I'm not sure just what is wrong with Tim Hudak. I think maybe he is just too young and comes on TOO middle of the road! It could be him or he could have bad advisers but he always seems so "beige". Mike Harris may have been a Mr. Burns but Hudak always seems more like Principal Skinner. If you want a power plant to be run successfully you choose the former. If you want the students to run your school you go for the latter. Hudak keeps losing because he just seems boring, at least IMHO. His whole approach has always seemed to be "Vote for ME! I'm not as bad as the other guy!" Ontario desperately needs another Mike Harris. All the focus has been on how non-working people are hurting. Harris focused on helping working people and more than that, trying to INCREASE the number of working people! You have to bake the pie before you can share it. I do heavily support their lipservice for small businesses. He can't act on it right now so, it really is just lipservice. Small/medium businesses are important and ever diminishing... I think we really need to break up large corporations that control more than 25% of a market, if we want our system to last a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I do heavily support their lipservice for small businesses. He can't act on it right now so, it really is just lipservice. Small/medium businesses are important and ever diminishing... I think we really need to break up large corporations that control more than 25% of a market, if we want our system to last a bit longer. And how on earth could you ever get away with doing such a thing? We would become another Cuba overnight! I think the solution is even more basic. We need to restore a higher baseline of good character across ALL of society! That way, the people who run large corporations will be less likely to do scummy things. Character and integrity has almost disappeared in our society today. I'm not entirely sure why. I have some blame for parents and some for teachers but that's obviously too simplistic. Still, even if we did break up corporations without the replacements being of good character nothing would change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 IN this current political climate of labour hate because some people fought to job security and better wages, I'd prefer NDP in this seat to balance it out a bit more. We have both PC and LIB on the labour hate side right now. Either way, I just hope the citizens of KW have enough sense to NOT give the Liberals another majority. Well the NDP is campaigning very hard in this riding! And as far as I know Christine is the strongest candidate. Only a few weeks to go and we will find out. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I do heavily support their lipservice for small businesses. He can't act on it right now so, it really is just lipservice. Small/medium businesses are important and ever diminishing... I think we really need to break up large corporations that control more than 25% of a market, if we want our system to last a bit longer. Ya the last thing we need is another Mike Harris/Dalton McGuinty! I agree with you. But I would add that the focus should be directed to consumers!Not corporations! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well, you can have any hope or wish you want but an INFORMED opinion is based on reason and evidence! IMHO, the NDP have only a weak chance of taking this KW seat, unless the Tory candidate does something incredibly stupid. After all, for the past two elections the party leader has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! This is not likely to change over the years. The more the NDP becomes identified with 416 Toronto the more the rest of Ontario will become alienated from them. The culture of old Toronto is VERY different from most of the rest of the province! The NDP has found itself walking a tightrope in many areas. Having all that support in Quebec gives rise to some very fundamental differences. Mulcair has his work cut out for him. Plus, he has to continue Jack's path of becoming less of a fringe socialist party and more like a modern Labour Party a la Tony Blair. The key to winning elections in Canada is not the way of Syd Ryan or Buzz Hargrove. The centre is all! Absolutely nothing here in this comment addresses the local candidates,the strengths of Elizabeth Witmer or Christine Fife! Also Mulcair has been very successful in bringing Ontario closer together with Quebec!(polls prove this!) This must drive the conservatives freekin nuts,turning back years of hard conservative work in driving the wedge between Ontario and Quebec. When conservatives get pissed off,the NDP must be doing something right! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think the solution is even more basic. We need to restore a higher baseline of good character across ALL of society! That way, the people who run large corporations will be less likely to do scummy things. Character and integrity has almost disappeared in our society today. I'm not entirely sure why. I have some blame for parents and some for teachers but that's obviously too simplistic. Still, even if we did break up corporations without the replacements being of good character nothing would change. Lots of people agree with this position. how does one change/fix it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) Lots of people agree with this position. how does one change/fix it ? Take away unlimited liability of corporations. Take away corporations as their own entity so CEO's must bear the brunt of negligent decisions. That's a start. You can't invest in evil when you are liable for the result. You can't enact evil when you are liable for the result. Edited August 25, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Take away unlimited liability of corporations. Take away corporations as their own entity so CEO's must bear the brunt of negligent decisions. That's a start. You can't invest in evil when you are liable for the result. You can't enact evil when you are liable for the result. Corporations are legal entities now! The media is full of reports about corporations being fined for illegal activities or broken up for being monopolies. Many CEOs have gone to jail for fraud. I'm not sure just what you are saying here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Corporations are legal entities now! The media is full of reports about corporations being fined for illegal activities or broken up for being monopolies. Many CEOs have gone to jail for fraud. I'm not sure just what you are saying here. I know corporations do. But if a CEO is acting in the interest of a corporation and say, ends up dumping toxic waste into lake ontario... Shouldn't the CEO take heat for that too? Not just a fine to the corp? Shouldn't someone who invests a corporation be liable for the workings of that corporation? Making something for nothing is the name of our game. Rape the environment, cause health problems and who cares!? Not my problem. THe CEO and Shareholders should be liable for more. You shouldn't be able to invest in evil without it coming to clawback at you. If I invest in oil companies, I invest in their raping and pillaging of the land in 3rd world countries. Just dumping toxic wastes into the water supply. If you want to get rid of people who are jerks, you have to get rid of their ability to easily be a jerk and get away with it. I don't like how it won't let me embed pictures. http://www.bigfatwhale.com/archives/bfw_446.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Many CEOs have gone to jail for fraud. In Canada???Who??? You have any links? WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Max, you make a great deal of sense! Actually, I am continually struck by how you virtually always make sense. Even when we disagree I have to respect your viewpoint as informed. And you an NDP'er! Max, I will be 60 this fall and I can truthfully say I have never met an NDP supporter like you! At any NDP functions, you must be very lonely! Ah shucks WB... I always Like your posts... I even like them better when you jump into a post of boiling water and turn up the heat ....... SLOWLY...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Not often does something happen at a Local All Candidates debate, and its rare for a paper to comment on the night or who they felt performed the best. Normally they just report what was said and offer no insight, so often a poor performer or debater could look competent. So it was with surprise that I read todays article actually criticing the candidates (normally with this stuff only Leadership debates get the honour of being judged on their performance), It would appear that Catherine Fife is also making headway in the debates and carrying herself strongly. They also give credit to teh Liberal Candidate but it appears that the PC candidate is still a rookie work in progress. "I am not here to defend Tim Hudak and this is not a General Election" Not the best foot to put forward... http://www.therecord.com/opinion/columns/article/789254--d-amato-after-fife-s-strong-showing-this-is-clearly-a-three-way-race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 It would appear that Catherine Fife is also making headway in the debates and carrying herself strongly. They also give credit to teh Liberal Candidate but it appears that the PC candidate is still a rookie work in progress. I would imagine that the NDP are putting the most effort into this bi election. Sounds like Catherine is the most experienced candidate and a lot of NDP brass have been to Kitchener Waterloo to canvass. Of course I would like to see her win,but at the very least this will be a close one! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I would imagine that the NDP are putting the most effort into this bi election. Sounds like Catherine is the most experienced candidate and a lot of NDP brass have been to Kitchener Waterloo to canvass. Of course I would like to see her win,but at the very least this will be a close one! WWWTT If she's so great why wasn't she elected before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If she's so great why wasn't she elected before? as is the case with likely 90% of NDP candidates they often need to run many times in order to get the name recognition that the larger parties can buy through adverstising. then there is also the optics, the strength and messaging of the party and the strenght of the incumbent. One would consider the former PC Witmer to be the linchpin more then anything else. She broke in as a PC during the NDP sweeps of the 1990 election, so one might suggest this was a strong Witmer street 1st and a PC seat 2nd. So Witmer would have been a very formidable incumbent to defeat, regardless of the talent of any challenger. With Witmer out of the race, its the strength of the PC brand that is keeping their candidate in the race. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, I didn;t think the NDP had a shot here, they are proving me wrong. I'd guess its still leaning PC based on the most recent published poll. But you just don;t know in a bi election. ABL for me....(Twist on ABC) then I would put Ndp Just to shake things up. then I would settle for PC just to keep the Libs from a Majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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