guyser Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Interesting that this gentleman , a constitutional expert, claims that Harpers govt is worse than ignorant , more like disgusting , by misleading (deliberately) the public on the validity of the coalition govt. http://www.straight.com/article-718136/vancouver/constitutional-experts-calls-stephen-harper-government-officials-disgusting-rather-ignorant It would appear that pretty much what he says is true and paints not a rosy picture of what went on. My question is, where was the media in all that. I guess the msm isnt so Liberal huh? Edited June 26, 2012 by guyser Quote
Tilter Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Interesting that this gentleman , a constitutional expert, claims that Harpers govt is worse than ignorant , more like disgusting , by misleading (deliberately) the public on the validity of the coalition govt. http://www.straight.com/article-718136/vancouver/constitutional-experts-calls-stephen-harper-government-officials-disgusting-rather-ignorant It would appear that pretty much what he says is true and paints not a rosy picture of what went on. My question is, where was the media in all that. I guess the msm isnt so Liberal huh? Has any Canadian government been better than ignorant? McKenzie King screwed the pooch, Trudeau screwed Canadian Anglos, Diefenbaker screwed the Air Industry and the Armed forces, Kreetin screwed the country, Martin screwed the Liberal party & John Turner & Kim Campbell screwed themselves and Mulroony screwed us all. Quote
g_bambino Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Interesting that this gentleman , a constitutional expert, claims that Harpers govt [was] misleading (deliberately) the public on the validity of the coalition govt. Some of us [*cough* like me *cough*] were aware of that ages ago. My question is, where was the media in all that. Following the whole thing. It's just that the majority of the media is ignorant of the rules of parliamentary democracy. Quote
guyser Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Posted June 26, 2012 Some of us [*cough* like me *cough*] were aware of that ages ago. Oh I was sure you knew all about this. You tend to be spot on in matters of constitution and monarchy stuff . And you got to toot your own horn! Woot! Quote
guyser Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Posted June 26, 2012 What am I, black? jk No no, I rely on your expertise to solve...um...lets see.... Hey look! A groundhog ! Quote
TimG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 more like disgusting , by misleading (deliberately) the public on the validity of the coalition govt.Yawn. Libs and the NDP would have used exactly the same rhetoric if it suited them. For evidence look at the number of Libs/Dippers claiming that the CPC is undemocratic because it was elected by a minority of voters. Quote
dre Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 Yawn. Libs and the NDP would have used exactly the same rhetoric if it suited them. For evidence look at the number of Libs/Dippers claiming that the CPC is undemocratic because it was elected by a minority of voters. Fascinating to see how the partisan firewall youve contructed in your mind isolates you from any possible critical thought. No matter what your party does, you can just say "so and so would have done it to!" or "so and so did the same thing way back when". Government corruption? NO problem! Other parties are corrupt too! GOvernment incompetence? NO problem! Other parties are incompetent too! Contempt for the voters! Its cool man! Theyre all doin it today! Bugger a small child? No worries! I bet Jack Layton would have buggered THREE! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
TimG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) No matter what your party does, you can just say "so and so would have done it to!" or "so and so did the same thing way back when".All it means is I have low opinion of all politicians and I simply don't believe that any other batch of yahoos is going to be any better. Now if the conservatives started doing things that actually mattered like passing regulations designed to shutdown money making industries then I would start to complain. So far they seem to be getting the important stuff right.I also have no patience for partisan yahoos who raise a lot of noise about irrelevant issues when they know that if the tables were reversed they would defend their party for doing exactly the same thing. Edited June 26, 2012 by TimG Quote
g_bambino Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 And you got to toot your own horn! No, I clearly just had a bit of a cough... Quote
g_bambino Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 I also have no patience for partisan yahoos who raise a lot of noise about irrelevant issues when they know that if the tables were reversed they would defend their party for doing exactly the same thing. I'm not sure that Peter Russell is a "partisan yahoo". Quote
TimG Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) I'm not sure that Peter Russell is a "partisan yahoo".He is only whining about conservative rhetoric. He makes no mention of the libs/dippers who claim that the conservative government is 'undemocratic' because it was elected with a minority of the popular vote. These kinds of one sided attacks make him a partisan even if he does not intend to be. That said, it may not be his fault since he is only being asked questions presented by a partisan media. He might have equal distain for the libs/dippers but we will never know that thanks to the biased media. Edited June 26, 2012 by TimG Quote
Smallc Posted June 26, 2012 Report Posted June 26, 2012 No no, I rely on your expertise to solve...um...lets see.... Hey look! A groundhog ! Quote
socialist Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 this goverment is destroying my canada. we need mulcair and the ndp and we need them now before harper turns this into dick cheyney ville. all students in all public schools need to be taught how the cons are destroying are enviroment and our nation. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
TimG Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) this goverment is destroying my canada.Muclair would destroy "your" Canada by killing the economy with regulations, taxes and deficits. No one gives a damn about the environment if they can't find a job. Edited June 27, 2012 by TimG Quote
socialist Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 Muclair would destroy "your" Canada by killing the economy with regulations, taxes and deficits. No one gives a damn about the environment if they can't find a job. mulcair would make my dream canada come true. a green and clean canada Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
CPCFTW Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) this goverment is destroying my canada. we need mulcair and the ndp and we need them now before harper turns this into dick cheyney ville. all students in all public schools need to be taught how the cons are destroying are enviroment and our nation. How does this happen? Come on, they're separated by two words. Edited June 27, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Argus Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 I'm not sure that Peter Russell is a "partisan yahoo". I think he was talking about guyser Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 mulcair would make my dream canada come true. a green and clean canada With breadlines for all, and re-education camps for those who try to think independent thoughts. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 No one gives a damn about the environment if they can't find a job. Actually, you're wrong. They don't give a damn about a job if they can't breathe or eat. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
socialist Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 Actually, you're wrong. They don't give a damn about a job if they can't breathe or eat. hear, hear!! finally some common sense. im tired of people in this country who think the big oil tycoons and super rich are heroes. the heroes are those of us who plant trees, recycle, promote social justice and many other things. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 How does this happen? Come on, they're separated by two words. cant debate the issue so you have to criicize grammer. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 Interesting that this gentleman , a constitutional expert, claims that Harpers govt is worse than ignorant , more like disgusting , by misleading (deliberately) the public on the validity of the coalition govt. http://www.straight.com/article-718136/vancouver/constitutional-experts-calls-stephen-harper-government-officials-disgusting-rather-ignorant It would appear that pretty much what he says is true and paints not a rosy picture of what went on. My question is, where was the media in all that. I guess the msm isnt so Liberal huh? I'm not quite sure how this is anything more than a rehash of the whining the left put up years ago during the initial move to form a coalition. Do you want to talk the whole thing over again or do you somehow feel that because some nobody ex professor the media chooses to refer to as a "constitutional expert" says nasty things about the Tories this somehow expands upon the topic? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 hear, hear!! finally some common sense. im tired of people in this country who think the big oil tycoons and super rich are heroes. the heroes are those of us who plant trees, recycle, promote social justice and many other things. At no point in time anywhere on this planet, so far as I'm aware of, has any people been willing to sacrifice their economic interests in the interest of environmentalism. The entire concept is one embraced mainly by comfortable liberal elites who face no particular economic challenges. When you get down to the bedrock working man what he wants is a job so he can support his family. It'd be nice, he'd say, if the environment was protected, but not if it costs him a job. That you don't know this, that you can't even conceive of it, just shows how far you and the NDP are from the common man. Your party is a party of the liberal elites, and even they will run in droves the instant their own personal economic interests are threatened by 'green' policies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
g_bambino Posted June 27, 2012 Report Posted June 27, 2012 He is only whining about conservative rhetoric. He makes no mention of the libs/dippers who claim that the conservative government is 'undemocratic' because it was elected with a minority of the popular vote. These kinds of one sided attacks make him a partisan even if he does not intend to be. Why? He's speaking about a specific event, and that specific event involved only Conservative ministers of the Crown telling flat-out lies; indeed, the Prime Minister taking over Canadian 'airwaves' to deliver those self-serving untruths. Someone hyperbolically and irrationally pontificating about our electoral process is one thing (though I can't say I've heard an MP blame it for giving us an undemocratic government; which would be a stupid claim, since, taking the logic to its conclusion, almost all, if not all, governments Canada has had would have to be deemed undemocratic); it's an argument, just poorly presented. It's quite another thing to deliberately misrepresent the way governments are chosen and dismissed in Westminster parliamentary democracies, about which there is no argument. And it's another thing again for it to be the prime minister uttering those lies about the way he actually attained his position and how he can and cannot lose it. When Harper did that, he misled a lot of people about their own system of governance and, by doing so, also undermined it, preemptively cutting down in the eyes of much of the public both parliament's and the Governor General's powers, implying that if either did anything they in truth could but contrary to the falsehoods Harper said, it would be undemocratic and illegitimate. That's pretty crass and irresponsible. Quote
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