Topaz Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 I saw this poll and I couldn't believe it. Out of 956 votes, 584 or 61% polled are in favour of Levant being in Parliament as a MP. Thoughts? http://bourque.freepolls.com/cgi-bin/pollresults/177 Quote
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Sure. Why not? The CPC fills its backbenches and cabinet with sock puppets anyway. Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 He would make a good MP for the oil companies. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Sure! If Jack Layton can run on a platform of bleed you dry, Ezra I'm sure can run on a platform of fiscal prudence! I think he would do very well ! Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 He would make a good MP for the oil companies. Maybe! That might not be entirely a bad thing. One of the worst things that can happen to any organization is too much "group think". When everyone all thinks the same way they are no better at coming up with solutions than just one of them as an individual. The idea of a governing or managing group is that many viewpoints working together will knock the rough edges off an idea, stripping away negatives that won't work and accentuating positives that will. After all, anyone with hair in their ears can spit out an idea but that doesn't mean it will actually work! Let a group of people of varied experience and viewpoints gnaw on it and you are far more likely to come up with something useful in the real world. Ezra has ideas and opinions quiet different than someone like Mulcair. However, unlike many Lefties who seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is not only dead wrong but likely evil, I believe that we need BOTH in any Parliament! It's amazing how many criticize the Tories for having a majority and being a tyranny yet see nothing wrong with banning all contrary opinions to their own. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
mentalfloss Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 It still amazes me that people see Ezra as some shining beacon for libertarianism. Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 It still amazes me that people see Ezra as some shining beacon for libertarianism. Hey, who else have we got? If we chewed it over long enough we MIGHT come up with ONE in our politics but I don't think we could ever name 3! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bleeding heart Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Ezra has ideas and opinions quiet different than someone like Mulcair. However, unlike many Lefties who seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is not only dead wrong but likely evil, I believe that we need BOTH in any Parliament! Seriously? Ezra has made an entire career out of his knuckledragging beliefs that the Left are nothing but idiots. In other words,he's exactly what you criticize. It's amazing how many criticize the Tories for having a majority and being a tyranny yet see nothing wrong with banning all contrary opinions to their own. You think that disputing and disagreeing is "banning all contrary opinions"? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Anti-Am Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Ezra has ideas and opinions quiet different than someone like Mulcair. However, unlike many Lefties who seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is not only dead wrong but likely evil, I believe that we need BOTH in any Parliament! It's amazing how many criticize the Tories for having a majority and being a tyranny yet see nothing wrong with banning all contrary opinions to their own. Being that I have an impartial view on things as I am neither left or right I think the left wingers are feeling how the right wingers felt under liberal majorities. Edited June 13, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Seriously? Ezra has made an entire career out of his knuckledragging beliefs that the Left are nothing but idiots. In other words,he's exactly what you criticize. You think that disputing and disagreeing is "banning all contrary opinions"? No, I think that not wanting someone like Ezra to be allowed to be an MP is "banning all contrary opinions". My own life experience has shown me that group think is seen with people of all persuasions but politically, it seems to be stronger on the left. That is NOT to say it is unknown on the right! Perhaps it is simply part of human nature. A very unfortunate part of human nature. I've caught myself doing it a few times in my life. I considered it a fault with myself to be corrected. Sadly, there are many people who see nothing wrong with having their entire group all think the same! I believe they are not really rational, but rather "religious". They do not have considered opinions but just "faith". Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Guest Peeves Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Certainly young Quebec newbies that don't know where their constituency office are apparently better. Nothing wrong with Ezra as an MP from what I know of his cv. Admittedly he is clownish for media attention, but, he's knowledgeable,politically smart and would be a superior choice over an inexperienced 20 year old or for that matter Master Trudeau. Svend Robinson and several others I can think of certainly fall far behind in capability to Ezra for political office. Libby's another disaster and New Democrat MP Nycole Turmel is a good example of poor choice for Canada. She might be good for Quebec as might NDP leader Mulcair. But as for MP choices, I'd prefer Ezra over some other MP buffoons, some PM's for that matter. William Lyon Mackenzie King would give any nut case a good run for 1st place. Edited June 13, 2012 by Peeves Quote
bleeding heart Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) No, I think that not wanting someone like Ezra to be allowed to be an MP is "banning all contrary opinions". Who said "be allowed"? I fully support the right of any frightened, creepy little reactionary to run for public office, if he wishes to do so. For me to lament the choice is not an attack on his rights. At all. My own life experience has shown me that group think is seen with people of all persuasions but politically, it seems to be stronger on the left. That is NOT to say it is unknown on the right! We all have our impressions, based both on honest observation and on our own peculiar biases. Your claim requires actual study, and it's a monumental undertaking. Edited June 13, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Anti-Am Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 or for that matter Master Trudeau. Why are you slagging Justin Trudeau? He has charisma, is popular, is smart. He seems to have his shit together. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Being that I have an impartial view on things as I am neither left or right I think the left wingers are feeling how the right wingers felt under liberal majorities. You're an anarchist. That's not impartial. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Woa... Now that's grasping at straws! Why are you slagging Justin Trudeau? He has charisma, is popular, is smart. He seems to have his shit together. Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 You're an anarchist. That's not impartial. A democracy could always use a little anarchy to keep the government in check. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) A democracy could always use a little anarchy to keep the government in check. I don't agree or disagree with that, but don't try to sell it as impartiality. That's all. Edited June 13, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
mentalfloss Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Seriously? Ezra has made an entire career out of his knuckledragging beliefs that the Left are nothing but idiots. In other words,he's exactly what you criticize. This is precisely why he's not truly a Libertarian. It's really just his own agenda dressed with sensationalism. Edited June 13, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 This is precisely why he's not truly a Libertarian. It's really just his own agenda dressed with sensationalism. Not entirely! I have been following Ezra for years and while he is undeniably a showman and a gadfly his philosophies are clearly expressed. He has never been a true Libertarian by my light. He has always seemed a Conservative! Again, what high profile Libertarian examples do we have in Canada? I can't think of any. Libertarianism is really just Classic Liberalism. I don't know if we've EVER had examples of that in Canada! Certainly, our Liberal Party has never exhibited that persuasion. So far, no one has yet to answer my question about other Libertarian examples. Most of us inclined to Classic Liberalism have always been forced to support the Conservatives, as they have some slight agreement with that philosophy. Not very much, but still it's something! The NDP are of course socialists and the Liberals have never seemed to be clearly and definitely much of anything! They have always been a brokerage party, having few or no firm principles and willing to appear to be whatever they think will win them an election. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Guest Peeves Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) It still amazes me that people see Ezra as some shining beacon for libertarianism. Now here's a real idiot that many support in Quebec. Certainly a poster boy for candidate for public office. (from the à gauche of course. Amir Khadir’s 19-year-old daughter was arrested at his Montreal home last week on suspicion of taking part in violent student protests, the Québec Solidaire MNA took exception that the officers entered without removing their shoes." http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/12/graeme-hamilton-solidaire-mna-should-distance-himself-from-poster-depicting-him-shooting-charest/ On Tuesday, it emerged that Mr. Khadir’s sense of decorum is uneven, to say the least. While shoes are a no-no, a poster depicting Liberal Premier Jean Charest dead and half-naked and Mr. Khadir standing over him, musket in hand, is perfectly fine — rather hilarious, in fact. Edited June 13, 2012 by Peeves Quote
PIK Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Being that I have an impartial view on things as I am neither left or right I think the left wingers are feeling how the right wingers felt under liberal majorities. Except we did not not whine and cry and go berserk over it, we waited for our time and now it is here and look at the crying on the other side. They are a laughing stock and should all be living in europe. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Anti-Am Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Except we did not not whine and cry and go berserk over it, we waited for our time and now it is here and look at the crying on the other side. They are a laughing stock and should all be living in europe. there was all kinds of whining and crying when gay marriage was legalized and yet we still hear conservatives blame the liberals for everything despite 6 / 7 years of conservative government. Quote
bleeding heart Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 Except we did not not whine and cry and go berserk over it, we waited for our time and now it is here and look at the crying on the other side. They are a laughing stock and should all be living in europe. I disagree. I think that the more the Conservatives succeeded, the louder the tantrums and greater the victim-complexes of the political Right have become. It's an odd phenomenon, I have to say. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Posted June 13, 2012 This seems just like the kind of person the CPC would put on their benches. Quote
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