WWWTT Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Russ Hibert,conservative back bencher from B.C. has table bill C-377. This bill is an amendment to the income tax act,forcing unions to publicly disclose all transactions over $5,000! Unions are in direct competition with many corporations and various institutions and are entitled to our own privacy to protect our interests,the interests of Canadian labor,the interests of the Canadian work force and our families! Please visit workersbuildcanada.ca to send a protest letter to your MP! This has to be one of the most anti union bills ever seen federally possibly in the history of Canada! WWWTT Edited June 9, 2012 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
TheNewTeddy Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Why $5,000? Why not $0.01? I could support the latter. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Fine by me as long as they force everyone else to do it to. Otherwise it is just another hypocritical double standard created by this government to try and embarrass a segment of the economy they don't like. I hear Conservatives all the time talking about how unfair it is to treat different organization differently. Yet here we are again. Edited June 9, 2012 by punked Quote
westguy Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Fine by me as long as they force everyone else to do it to. Otherwise it is just another hypocritical double standard created by this government to try and embarrass a segment of the economy they don't like. I hear Conservatives all the time talking about how unfair it is to treat different organization differently. Yet here we are again. isn't it levelling the playing field between corps and unions? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 isn't it levelling the playing field between corps and unions? Do corporations have to disclose any transactions over $5000? Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 isn't it levelling the playing field between corps and unions? I have never seen a private institution disclose every expense they have. Nor would I demand it of them, they are private and that is none of my business just like Unions. If I am not a member of the union it is non of my business what they spend their money on. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Do corporations have to disclose any transactions over $5000? No this about a false equivalence so their guys don't look like such hypocrites. In the end though that doesn't matter we all know the Conservative talk a big game in opposition then get in and perform nothing like they said they would. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 No this about a false equivalence so their guys don't look like such hypocrites. Of course. I'm just highlighting the obvious. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I fully support this great Bill! I hope it passes and I'm sure it will. For far too long now the unions and NDP have skirted democracy and this is a clear cut example of them skirting Transparency! Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I fully support this great Bill! I hope it passes and I'm sure it will. For far too long now the unions and NDP have skirted democracy and this is a clear cut example of them skirting Transparency! What are you talking about. When did a democracy become about making private organizations show YOU their books? Please clarify why you think you have a right to see what private organizations are doing? Next piece of legislation will be about the government seeing everything you buy over 100 dollars? Seriously this is about taking away rights which is not democratic. So like I said I await the government doing this for private business as well. Otherwise all this is about is taking away freedoms. Quote
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 For far too long now the unions and NDP have skirted democracy and this is a clear cut example of them skirting Transparency! Unions regularly dip into the dues they collect from their membership to fund various advocacy and political causes. I can't imagine they would want any of this to become public, especially unsuspecting union members who are forced to pay dues under the Rand formula. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Unions regularly dip into the dues they collect from their membership to fund various advocacy and political causes. I can't imagine they would want any of this to become public, especially unsuspecting union members who are forced to pay dues under the Rand formula. Have you ever been in a union. Financial statements are tabled to the members usually on a quarterly bases. If members want to know where their money is spent they can know. That however does not mean the public should know how a union or its membership spend their money. Again a bunch of hypocrites. If the NDP tabled a bill to force all businesses in Canada to open their books you would the first one to shout it down. That is all something like this leads to. A tit for tat that makes all of Canada weaker. Stop trying to cut off our noise to spit our face. You know this is bad policy. Edited June 9, 2012 by punked Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Unions are the last bastion of free enterprise. My union is a corporation who sells labour. As a member, I am a stockholder. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Unions are the last bastion of free enterprise. My union is a corporation who sells labour. As a member, I am a stockholder. Welcome to the forums. With all the new conservative members, I didn't notice the progressive that came in. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Posted June 9, 2012 Let me make something clear here. The government is proposing that unions post every transaction over $5,000 on the internet! This is completely unheard of!?!?! What business does someone half way around the world have in viewing transactions occurring in any union within Canada??? As more and more people become aware of what the government is proposing I think the government may call in sick when the vote comes down in the house. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Let me make something clear here. The government is proposing that unions post every transaction over $5,000 on the internet! This is completely unheard of!?!?! What business does someone half way around the world have in viewing transactions occurring in any union within Canada??? As more and more people become aware of what the government is proposing I think the government may call in sick when the vote comes down in the house. WWWTT Again I think we need to ask if the NDP did this for business in Canada who would be the first one to Scream communism? Yet if I were to scream Fascism the conservatives around here would dismiss it. Quote
Argus Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Unions regularly dip into the dues they collect from their membership to fund various advocacy and political causes. I can't imagine they would want any of this to become public, especially unsuspecting union members who are forced to pay dues under the Rand formula. Hmm. My local's budget is available to be examined by any member who asks. I admit to not having considered it, but I bet I could examine the books higher up, too, if I wanted to. And by the way, if you can't imagine they would want any of that to become public, doesn't that imply it ISN'T public? Which would lead me to ask -- how do you know about it? Edited June 9, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WWWTT Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Posted June 9, 2012 Again I think we need to ask if the NDP did this for business in Canada who would be the first one to Scream communism? Yet if I were to scream Fascism the conservatives around here would dismiss it. I agree about the hypocrisy conservatives are famous for! But what really gets me is that the NDP would never create such laws that are in total neglect and disregard for private enterprise! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I agree about the hypocrisy conservatives are famous for! But what really gets me is that the NDP would never create such laws that are in total neglect and disregard for private enterprise! WWWTT I know. That is the thing. If they did though I know who wouldn't like it and think it was the worst thing that ever happened ever. Apply the same logic conservatives this is good for no one. Quote
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Have you ever been in a union. Yes. I walked the picket line at a time when picket line duty paid $15.00 a week. I have also worked for over ten years for a national union. I have done plantgating and served as technical advisor on resolutions at national conventions and for a national board of directors, and written policies that are still on the books. I have interacted with other unions representing various occupations. Trust me, I know quite a bit about how unions operate. If members want to know where their money is spent they can know. I won't go into detail on this point as I don't want to be identified. At the national union in question, even though members at a national convention have approved a budget, a National Board of Directors (which oversees the union's affairs between conventions) has the power to assign money for activities not contained in the original budget voted on at convention. This is something I wholly disapprove of. That however does not mean the public should know how a union or its membership spend their money. I disagree. Union dues are deducted from union members' income tax returns at 100%. That costs the Treasury a hefty sum in taxes it could have collected if such a deduction was unavailable. Since this translates into less money going into federal coffers to pay for federal programs, the public has a right to know where those funds are being spent. IMO, in order for unions to be considered private institutions, as a first step this income tax deduction for union dues has to go. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Hmm. My local's budget is available to be examined by any member who asks. I admit to not having considered it, but I bet I could examine the books higher up, too, if I wanted to. Of course. And by the way, if you can't imagine they would want any of that to become public, doesn't that imply it ISN'T public? Which would lead me to ask -- how do you know about it? I don't understand the question you're asking Argus. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I disagree. Union dues are deducted from union members' income tax returns at 100%. That costs the Treasury a hefty sum in taxes it could have collected if such a deduction was unavailable. Since this translates into less money going into federal coffers to pay for federal programs, the public has a right to know where those funds are being spent. IMO, in order for unions to be considered private institutions, as a first step this income tax deduction for union dues has to go. So are loses for business. So you would want this law applied to Canadian private business as well? Quote
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) So are loses for business. So you would want this law applied to Canadian private business as well? Bill C-377 was not written for business. Maybe a NDP MP could introduce similar legislation for businesses. Edited June 9, 2012 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Bill C-377 was not written for business. Maybe a NDP MP could introduce similar legislation for businesses. Maybe you could not be such a lousy hypocritical partisan hack for a change, but I doubt it. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Bill C-377 was not written for business. Maybe a NDP MP could introduce similar legislation for businesses. Would you be for that? If you are for this on the bases of taxes you should be all in. Or is that argument just one you think you could win? Is your opinion that different private organization should be treated differently instead of equally? Now there is a slippery slope. Quote
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