Guest Peeves Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 http://www.realite-eu.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=9dJBLLNkGiF&b=2315291&ct=11774241 Enough uranium now for 5 nukes if further enriched. No doubt this religiously governed country has designs on nukes and a target on Israel. The head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani said on Sunday that the Islamic Republic would not stop the production of higher-grade uranium. “We have no reason to retreat from producing the 20 percent, because we need 20 percent uranium just as much to meet our needs,” the senior official said. [1]The United Nations Security Council has passed several resolutions since 2006, demanding that Iran suspend "all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities." [2] Iran's 20% enriched uranium is of particular concern because it can be converted into weapons-grade material relatively easily and in just a matter of months, experts say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 No doubt this religiously governed country has designs on nukes and a target on Israel. no doubt? really? it's too bad the experts feel differently about your opinion. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey who described Iran as a "rational actor" link oh and, here is some inconvenient truth: U.S. Rejected 2005 Iranian Offer Ensuring No Nuclear Weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post To The Left Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Enough uranium now for 5 nukes if further enriched. No doubt this religiously governed country has designs on nukes and a target on Israel. As a trust building move I feel that Iran should agree to temporarily halting its enrichment BUT as NPT country the treaty that Iran signed allows for it to enrich uranium, "a signatory state has the right to enrich uranium to be used as ... nuclear power." There is a need for the 20% uranium for medical uses. What exactly is your smoking gun? There is no proof that the country has designs for nukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 As a trust building move I feel that Iran should agree to temporarily halting its enrichment BUT as NPT country the treaty that Iran signed allows for it to enrich uranium, "a signatory state has the right to enrich uranium to be used as ... nuclear power." There is a need for the 20% uranium for medical uses. What exactly is your smoking gun? There is no proof that the country has designs for nukes. Others might say there is evidence of intent. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/05/buildings-razed-at-suspected-iranian-nuclear-test-site-ahead-of-possible-iaea-visit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post To The Left Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Others might say there is evidence of intent. So do you think that the religious leaders of Iran have the final say, are the strings controlling the government? Do you think the government can go against the Iranian supreme council? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 So do you think that the religious leaders of Iran have the final say, are the strings controlling the government? Do you think the government can go against the Iranian supreme council? Absolutely! It has been that way since the Shah fell! What planet have you been living on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Absolutely! It has been that way since the Shah fell! What planet have you been living on? Things actually arent that simple in Iran. Theres a rift between religions leaders and elected government, and the Ayatollah has to walk a balancing act because the Iranian population wants more democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) Others might say there is evidence of intent. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/05/buildings-razed-at-suspected-iranian-nuclear-test-site-ahead-of-possible-iaea-visit/ YEah well you can find some tards that will say and think just about anything. But anyone who has paid any attention to Iran over the last few decades knows that Irans leaders are pretty carefull and deliberate and consumed with preserving their place of power and privilege. Nobody with more than about 80 IQ thinks they are going to up and commit suicide on behalf of the entire persian race. Edited June 11, 2012 by dre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post To The Left Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Absolutely! It has been that way since the Shah fell! What planet have you been living on? Well if you believe the Ayatollah runs the country then you believe that Iran will never develop nuclear weapons because the Islamic ruling council has stated: "that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction ... Grand Ayatollah Yusef Saanei, one of the highest-ranking clerics in Iran, said in an interview: "There is complete consensus on this issue. It is self- evident in Islam that it is prohibited to have nuclear bombs. It is eternal law, because the basic function of these weapons is to kill innocent people. This cannot be reversed." Led by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the nation's "supreme leader," Iranian clerics have repeatedly declared that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction.... "Those in Iran who clandestinely believed they could develop nuclear weapons have now been forced to admit that is forbidden under Islam," said Hussein Shariatmadari, who is president of the Kayhan chain of newspapers, controlled by Khamenei, and an unofficial spokesman for the supreme leader. Shariatmadari added that there also are practical considerations behind the theological ban. "A nuclear bomb is not like wine -- you can make in your home and hide it easily," he said. "No, the IAEA can find anything. So if you can't use it, why have it?" ...Grand Ayatollah Yusef Saanei, one of the highest-ranking clerics in Iran, said in an interview: "There is complete consensus on this issue. It is self- evident in Islam that it is prohibited to have nuclear bombs. It is eternal law, because the basic function of these weapons is to kill innocent people. This cannot be reversed." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/31/MNGHJ2NFRE1.DTL&type=printable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) Well if you believe the Ayatollah runs the country then you believe that Iran will never develop nuclear weapons because the Islamic ruling council has stated: "that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction ... Grand Ayatollah Yusef Saanei, one of the highest-ranking clerics in Iran, said in an interview: "There is complete consensus on this issue. It is self- evident in Islam that it is prohibited to have nuclear bombs. It is eternal law, because the basic function of these weapons is to kill innocent people. This cannot be reversed." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/31/MNGHJ2NFRE1.DTL&type=printable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya Taqiyya holds a central place in Twelver Shi'a Islam. This is sometimes explained by the minority position Shi'ites had under the political dominance of Sunni Muslims, requiring them to protect themselves through concealment and dissimulation. In Shi'a legal literature, there is a range of situations in which taqiyya may be used or even required. For Shi'a Muslims, taqiyya is to conceal their association with their faith when revealing it would result in danger. Taqiyya is done for reasons of safety. For example, a person may fear that he might be killed or harmed if he does not observe taqiyya. In this case, taqiyya is allowed. However, in some circumstances taqiyya may lead to the death of an innocent person; if so, it is not permissible; it is haraam (forbidden) to kill a human being to save one's own life.[12] Some Shi'ites, though, advance taqiyya as a form of jihad, a sort of fighting against their adversaries. Edited June 10, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Of course there's no reason to worry if your a citizen Jew, Christian, Muslim or one of the millions of Arabs in and around Israel. http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/ http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/iran-warns-world-of-coming-great-event/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Well if you believe the Ayatollah runs the country then you believe that Iran will never develop nuclear weapons because the Islamic ruling council has stated: "that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction ... Grand Ayatollah Yusef Saanei, one of the highest-ranking clerics in Iran, said in an interview: "There is complete consensus on this issue. It is self- evident in Islam that it is prohibited to have nuclear bombs. It is eternal law, because the basic function of these weapons is to kill innocent people. This cannot be reversed." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/31/MNGHJ2NFRE1.DTL&type=printable You do understand that Islam is NOT like Catholicism or most other religions? There is no overall "Pope" or ruling council. Instead they have autonomous communities, that may have very different attitudes or opinions. What's more, some extremist sects hold that it is not a sin to lie to an infidel, particularly in the furtherance of Islam. I do agree with you that the mullahs are afraid of the younger, western-oriented younger demographic in their society. Still, they control the military and that's effective control indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post To The Left Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) You do understand that Islam is NOT like Catholicism or most other religions? There is no overall "Pope" or ruling council. Instead they have autonomous communities, that may have very different attitudes or opinions. ... Still, they control the military and that's effective control indeed. I quoted one of the top scholars of the Shiite faith AND the Supreme Leader of Iran who controls the ruling religious council the people YOU said control the "military and that's [with] effective control indeed." Ayatollah Ali Khamenei the man YOU say leads the country and the military says: "The Islamic Republic of Iran, based on its fundamental religious and legal beliefs, would never resort to the use of weapons of mass destruction," Khamenei said recently. "In contrast to the propaganda of our enemies, fundamentally we are against any production of weapons of mass destruction in any form." You say the military controls everything, "effective control indeed", but now you claim that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei doesn't have any power because he isn't the pope? You can't have it both ways. Either Ayatollah Khamenei is a religious scholar with no power so the government doesn't have to listen to him or he is the true power, the man that pulls all the strings. Oh and the Taqiyya defense is cop out, that only the desperate and whiny use. It's stooping lower than bringing Hitler into the debate. Edited June 11, 2012 by Post To The Left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Neither the Ayatollahs or Dinnerjacket would EVER lie. No sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) US has already nuked cities.. so forgive me or anyone who thinks it is ridiculous that they are allowed to say who can have nukes and who may not. Edited June 11, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 US has already nuked cities.. so forgive me or anyone who thinks it is ridiculous that they are allowed to say who can have nukes and who may not. Correct.....many thanks for the uranium from Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post To The Left Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Neither the Ayatollahs or Dinnerjacket would EVER lie. No sir! The Persians are a culture based on honour, where the word of someone and thier honor is a revered thing or where dishonoring someone is often met with a strict punishment. No when making a statement to the world, basically risking the honour of Iran the country, no in this case I don't think the Ayatollah would deceive and lie to the world. And as Wild Bill has pointed out: The Ayatollah controls Iran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 OMG...lol. Hey...while you're at it. Can you say something nice about Robert Mugabe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Correct.....many thanks for the uranium from Canada! You're most welcome, BC. My only complaint is that we're still hewers of wood...drawers of urani...errr...water. It has been a cash cow for certain Sask. native bands who hauled it...and a health risk, apparently. Some white guilt there...if'n you know what I mean. But, then there was Iwo Jima...Okinawa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 The Persians are a culture based on honour, where the word of someone and thier honor is a revered thing or where dishonoring someone is often met with a strict punishment. No when making a statement to the world, basically risking the honour of Iran the country, no in this case I don't think the Ayatollah would deceive and lie to the world. And as Wild Bill has pointed out: The Ayatollah controls Iran Then there's Taqiyya. and those non Muslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Of course there's no reason to worry if your a citizen Jew, Christian, Muslim or one of the millions of Arabs in and around Israel. Most of the Arabs--a vast majority, in fact--do not consider Iran a threat, and do not think any nuclear ambitions pose a threat. We know this from Wikileaks...from one of the leaks most cited by powerful states and their intellectual commissars, in fact, because they didn't understand what they were reading: In brief, the Arab dictators oppose a nuclear Iran...the Arab people do not. As usual, we side with the dictators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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