Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 there was a time back in parents days where you could get one 25yr mortgage at a fixed rate, in my parents case 6% or $113per month...times change, mrs wyly being an accountant smartie that she is always looking for better deal, 6 different banks and countless mortgages later we're still okay, next time interest rates rise or fall if our current bank doesn't give us what we want she'll get a new mortgage elsewhere...you can't read anything into how many mortgages someone has... You can when the amount of the mortgage keeps going up. It means he's not just refinancing. It means he's taking money out of the equity he's built up and using it elsewhere. Maybe to pay off gambling debts. Maybe to donate money to Feed The Children charities. Who knows? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
punked Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 You can when the amount of the mortgage keeps going up. It means he's not just refinancing. It means he's taking money out of the equity he's built up and using it elsewhere. Maybe to pay off gambling debts. Maybe to donate money to Feed The Children charities. Who knows? The article you posted clearly reads that they are counting refinancing in there to. Looks to me as if he had refinanced a bunch lost a libel case and mortgaged. As for you claim yah who does know how he used HIS MONEY. I read somewhere Harper might use his pay as prime minister to buy and eat kittens. How the PM uses his money is his business if it is to eat kittens who knows. This has to be the lamest attack yet. Who knows? LOL Quote
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 Hey. I was just having fun with it and backed off once someone gave me some plausible explanations for why he had the debt. The subsequent discussions over Muclair's libel problems has nothing to with his mortgage. Plausible? Individually, sure. But 11 times? I've never increased my mortgage debt. In fact, I'm decreasing it steadily by increasing the size of my biweekly payments and making extra payments on top of that. Like most Canadians, I want my mortgage paid off soonest. I grant you there are reasons for borrowing money and adding it onto your mortgage, but 11 times is a lot. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
punked Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 This is not the United States. We don't get to walk away from our mortgage debt in this country. If the bubble bursts and he finds himself in possession of a $200k house he owes the bank $300k for he doesn't get to just shrug and walk off. He still owes the full amount. Why should he care the guy earns like 250,000 dollars a year he can afford the mortgage. Quote
punked Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 I think we SHOULD get to see all the candidates finances. We're electing fiscal managers. Why shouldn't we consider how good they are at managing their own finances? Great until we do we don't know if Mulcair is a better manager then the rest of them so you and I can both wait to compare to everyone else who releases their finances. Until then you know about as much about this guy as anyone else. WHO KNOWS? Quote
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 Personally I don't care about this issue. 1-If Mulcair becomes PM he won't be finance minister. 2-Life would be easy if we could make decisions about an MP based solely on them but ministers don't make decisions on their own, they consult a bevy of advisers on nebulous topics like the economy (even though they make it look like they made the decision all on their own). The Prime Minister is all powerful in our system. He's the one who tells the finance minister whether we should repay debt and lower our deficits, or to forget about that and instead start hiring more, and giving out more money - like Bob Rae did when he was Ontario premier, or like Dalton McGuinty did and is doing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
punked Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Plausible? Individually, sure. But 11 times? I've never increased my mortgage debt. In fact, I'm decreasing it steadily by increasing the size of my biweekly payments and making extra payments on top of that. Like most Canadians, I want my mortgage paid off soonest. I grant you there are reasons for borrowing money and adding it onto your mortgage, but 11 times is a lot. Maybe Muclair is just better at investing then you. He felt and maybe he did get a better return for his house value on the market instead of keeping it parked in his house. Quote
Moonbox Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 I think we SHOULD get to see all the candidates finances. We're electing fiscal managers. Why shouldn't we consider how good they are at managing their own finances? Argus come on man. I don't think you're really thinking this one out right. It might be reasonable to perhaps make sure that candidates are dilinquent with their repayments, as an MP under considerable financial pressure presents possible conflicts of interest and even security threats, but making their finances fully public? No way. Disregarding the gross intrusion of privacy it would be, it also wouldn't be fair at all. Certain careers, family backgrounds and other factors can provide big advantages or disadvantages from the start which have no bearing on the candidates personal financial skills. Such a system would lean us even more heavily towards a House filled with lawyers and the like as opposed to a more balanced representation of Canada as a whole. Plausible? Individually, sure. But 11 times? I've never increased my mortgage debt. In fact, I'm decreasing it steadily by increasing the size of my biweekly payments and making extra payments on top of that. Like most Canadians, I want my mortgage paid off soonest. I grant you there are reasons for borrowing money and adding it onto your mortgage, but 11 times is a lot. Good for you Argus. 11 times isn't as unusual as you would think, however. Working in the industry as I do, I can tell you it's quite common. The list of reasons WHY you would refinance is pretty long, and if you consider all the things a homeowner can do over 20 years, you'd be less surprised. If, for example, you move four times into a bigger house, you could port and increase your mortgage, which would be four refinances right there. The guy is a politician running a federal party, so over his career it's not much of a stretch to see how easily the rest could follow. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Wilber Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Simple, Mulcair's done it honestly while Harper's bills get paid by the big oil folks whose bribes he accepts. You know, like Mulroney and his brown paper bags. You have some evidence of that? I have a problem with people who just pull that crap out of their ass no matter who they are talking about. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Rick Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 You have some evidence of that? I have a problem with people who just pull that crap out of their ass no matter who they are talking about. Give it time, eventually it'll come out. Just like Mulroney's brown paper bags were revealed. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Wilber Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Give it time, eventually it'll come out. Just like Mulroney's brown paper bags were revealed. Until then, you should chose your words more carefully. How would you like people throwing that kind of crap around on the internet about you? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Rick Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Until then, you should chose your words more carefully. How would you like people throwing that kind of crap around on the internet about you? If I was being given the ridiculous amounts along with gold plated pensions that he's being paid for life...they could say whatever the hell they want to.That's part of being in the public eye..don't like it....Leave. End of story. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
WWWTT Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Funny. I don't support the conservatives but we've heard this for 8 years now and every election they just get more seats. So have the NDP More seats at the expense of the bloq and liberal.Now they are both reduced to little,the NDP and conservatives will have to feed from each others support now if either wants to grow. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Cons do not need attack ads. mulcair mouth is doing the same job. Then that should be reflected in the polls. But that's not the case now is it? Have an explanation? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) If I was being given the ridiculous amounts along with gold plated pensions that he's being paid for life...they could say whatever the hell they want to. That's part of being in the public eye..don't like it....Leave. End of story. If you can't prove it, it's libel, pure and simple. Edited May 28, 2012 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Vegas, the successful NDP candidate in Trois-Rivières-Ouest, is proof that politics is a risky game. Mulcair is a risk taker. It makes sense that he would mortgage his house. What did Stephen Harper risk to play the political game? Did Harper even have a mortgage? Actually life is all about risk! I don't believe that you can ever do anything without assuming absolutely no risk.That would be impossible! A $300 000 loan/line of credit is very little risk for someone as stable and secure as Mulcair and his wife.(obviously the bank that lent the money feels this way too) Keep in mind that the Canadian deficit/debt grew by tens of billions under Harper. In fact I would believe that the conservatives would not want to shed light on something as trivial as this in fear of it backfiring. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) You have some evidence of that? I have a problem with people who just pull that crap out of their ass no matter who they are talking about. I'll indulge in this conspiracy theory for a moment. The only pro-oil candidate for PM had all of the editorials supporting him, save a few. Odd. The Koch brothers who like to rape and pillage the land and hate environmental regulations, labour rights or any government interference/anything good for regular people, fund right wing think tanks and non-profit lobby groups in the US and Canada. Koch Brothers: Harper is Right: Foreign Radicals are After the Oils Sands Conservatives attack our ability to regulate environmental destruction without warrant. Conservatives start putting downward pressure on wages. Conservatives start attacking labour rights. Strange. No average Canadian would advocate for such things... so where are these initiatives coming from? In general, right wing nuts who pull this "powerful union" crap need to realize that corporations have more money and more power than any union and there are those who abuse it 24/7 for 365 days a year. The wealthiest of people do not give a rats ass about your well being other than the profit they make off of your hard work. Edited May 28, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 mulcair can't run a country because he has put his house on mortgage several times? By what stretch of the dictionary definition does 11 = "several". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 I'm not happy with Harper's closeness to the oil industry either but than doesn't give me the right to accuse him of a crime without evidence. That's libel Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Rick Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 If you can't prove it, it's libel, pure and simple. So sue me then... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 Has anybody even considered the cost of running a leadership campaign for a federal party, or the costs of an election campaign? It's not cheap. And do we know he used any of his own money for either? Nope. This isn't unusual or cause for concern AT ALL. It isn't unusual? So you're saying lots of Canadians remortgage their house ten or more times? Sorry. Having trouble buying that. Because here's the thing. It often IS an indication of bad financial management when people constantly remortgage their house and take money out. It's a sign that people can't live within their means, and need to keep running up debt to buy stuff. It's also a sign of a lack of discipline in waiting until you have the money to pay for things. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 So sue me then... You have to change your wording to be a question/suggestive opinion instead of a statement (like the conservatives/fox news do in all of their BS propaganda) and you are good. Take some examples from the Conbots on this forum, they are pretty good at avoiding libel while heavily suggesting that something entirely false is true. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Posted May 28, 2012 No one cares. Well... no, if you're on the left side of the political spectrum you probably DON'T care that a potential PM is bad at managing money and doesn't care much about how much debt is owed. After all, you probably don't pay taxes, and are only looking to a new government for how much more money it will give you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 So sue me then... Use your real name and say it in public and I doubt you will be lol. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Rick Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 You have to change your wording to be a question/suggestive opinion instead of a statement (like the conservatives/fox news do in all of their BS propaganda) and you are good. Take some examples from the Conbots on this forum, they are pretty good at avoiding libel while heavily suggesting that something entirely false is true. Very true MCC. I'm more of a shoot from the hip person though and really could care less about the conbots threats of libel.It'd be a cold day in hell... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
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