Murderer kills 90 injures 200 more

[Guest Peeves]

There is something drastically wrong with a 'cause' that justifies such martyrdom.

Yet, there are those that take exception when they are dealt with using a drone,....without a trial.

I suggest they be eliminated as we would plague carrying vermin. I further suggest giving such as these a trial is according them rights reserved for humans.

A suicide bomber blew himself up at a military parade rehearsal in Yemen's capital yesterday, killing more than 90 soldiers in one of the deadliest attacks in the city in years.

The bomber, dressed in military attire, made his way to the back of the military parade, near the presidential palace in Sana'a, before detonating explosives strapped to his chest. The explosion was small, but the suicide bomber's proximity to those around him meant it was devastating.

"Fifty men died right there on the spot," said Colonel Mohammed al-Kibsi, pointing to the blackened scar the bomb had left on the tarmac, his hands and uniform splattered in blood. "This was a massacre … The brave soldiers of our fatherland died this morning in cold blood."

By nightfall more than 90 men had died of their injuries.

The bombing, which wounded another 200, was the bloodiest incident in the city in years and dealt a serious blow to a political transition under way after a year of violent political upheaval that unseated Yemen's dictator, Ali Abdullah Saleh, after 33 years in office.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/21/sanaa-suicide-bomb-attack

[Canuckistani]

To use a drone, you have to know who they are and where they are. To get a guy like this you'd basically have to carpet bomb the whole lot, and all the innocents along with them. Then you'd be just as evil as this guy and his ilk is.

[Guest Peeves]

To use a drone, you have to know who they are and where they are. To get a guy like this you'd basically have to carpet bomb the whole lot, and all the innocents along with them. Then you'd be just as evil as this guy and his ilk is.

Intel points out the target, and drones are used pretty much surgically. Osama could have been 'droned', but more publicity the way it was done.* Election coming.

* I prefer the Seals since the body could be verified. Just making political hay..

[Canuckistani]

Exactly. Are you saying they had intel on this bomber and could have taken him out with a drone? That wa my point, for bombers like this drones are useless.

[Signals.Cpl]

Exactly. Are you saying they had intel on this bomber and could have taken him out with a drone? That wa my point, for bombers like this drones are useless.

Depends on when and where you get him. If you find that a bomber is going in to a school, send in tactical team if a suicide bomber is going to a school but is still some distance from his or her target then using a drone to kill the suicide bomber is better as long as you can ensure no civilian casualties.

[Canuckistani]

Depends on when and where you get him. If you find that a bomber is going in to a school, send in tactical team if a suicide bomber is going to a school but is still some distance from his or her target then using a drone to kill the suicide bomber is better as long as you can ensure no civilian casualties.

No doubt. If they knew the bomber referred to in the OP was going to suicide bomb, they would have taken steps to prevent it. My point has been that to say

There is something drastically wrong with a 'cause' that justifies such martyrdom.

Yet, there are those that take exception when they are dealt with using a drone,....without a trial.

I suggest they be eliminated as we would plague carrying vermin. I further suggest giving such as these a trial is according them rights reserved for humans.

misses the point - can't use drones or any other means to stop somebody you don't know what they plan to do. Who are we eliminating, and how? I thought we were doing our best to do just that in Astan, but it hasn't worked out all that well. And it won't unless we're willing to "destroy Afghanistan in order to save it." (What was that about Nam all over again?)

[Signals.Cpl]

No doubt. If they knew the bomber referred to in the OP was going to suicide bomb, they would have taken steps to prevent it. My point has been that to say misses the point - can't use drones or any other means to stop somebody you don't know what they plan to do. Who are we eliminating, and how? I thought we were doing our best to do just that in Astan, but it hasn't worked out all that well. And it won't unless we're willing to "destroy Afghanistan in order to save it." (What was that about Nam all over again?)

What was done in Afghanistan was and is a political failure. ISAF has been fighting for the last decade with their hands tied behind their backs, and as a result Afghanistan is the way it is. The political side never had a clear idea what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it, if there was a strategy on what the political leadership wanted to do the military could do their job.

To stop people like that we need to invest more in intelligence and training the countries that are affected by terrorists.

[Canuckistani]

Sounds good. Except Astan is in no shape to defeat the terrorists, no matter how much we train them. The people's will isn't there, because the Taliban were preferable to the warlords, and there seems to be no other option at the moment for the country. And as long as Pstan remains a refuge for the Taliban, there isn't much we can do about it. We should have defeated Al Qaeda there, captured Bin Laden ourselves instead of contracting that job out, and gone home.

[GostHacked]

Depends on when and where you get him. If you find that a bomber is going in to a school, send in tactical team if a suicide bomber is going to a school but is still some distance from his or her target then using a drone to kill the suicide bomber is better as long as you can ensure no civilian casualties.

You will never be able to ensure anyone that there will not be civilian casualties. That's nicely termed 'collateral damage'.

We've seen how well that has worked out in Afghanistan. As well as Pakistan (24+ soldiers killed in drone strike) .....

[Signals.Cpl]

You will never be able to ensure anyone that there will not be civilian casualties. That's nicely termed 'collateral damage'.

We've seen how well that has worked out in Afghanistan. As well as Pakistan (24+ soldiers killed in drone strike) .....

Which incident are you referring to? Because if its the one where 24 Pakistani soldiers who died after opening fire on an Afghan Army Patrol all I have to ask is, what kind of genius fires on the soldiers and expects no return fire? If the Pakistani soldiers were sitting there just minding their own business its one thing, when they opened fire on an Nato-Afghan patrol I would expect the Afghans to return fire and the Americans to provide any and all assistance they could. If it was Canadian Soldiers under attack I would expect the same from them, protecting and assisting ANA forces.

[Signals.Cpl]

Sounds good. Except Astan is in no shape to defeat the terrorists, no matter how much we train them. The people's will isn't there, because the Taliban were preferable to the warlords, and there seems to be no other option at the moment for the country. And as long as Pstan remains a refuge for the Taliban, there isn't much we can do about it. We should have defeated Al Qaeda there, captured Bin Laden ourselves instead of contracting that job out, and gone home.

Sorry you have me confused, who did we contract the job to?

[jbg]

There is something drastically wrong with a 'cause' that justifies such martyrdom.

Yet, there are those that take exception when they are dealt with using a drone,....without a trial.*************

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/21/sanaa-suicide-bomb-attack

It may have been cruel, but it did a lot to help the Palestinians.

[Signals.Cpl]

It may have been cruel, but it did a lot to help the Palestinians.

Suicide bombers or drones? I don't think either of those helped one bit.

[dre]

What was done in Afghanistan was and is a political failure. ISAF has been fighting for the last decade with their hands tied behind their backs, and as a result Afghanistan is the way it is. The political side never had a clear idea what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it, if there was a strategy on what the political leadership wanted to do the military could do their job.

To stop people like that we need to invest more in intelligence and training the countries that are affected by terrorists.

The real failure was ignoring what kind of country Afghanistan is. We went in there talking about "liberal democracies" and tried to set up a strong central government. But thats never how the place has worked. Even the Taliban only controlled a small portion of the country when they were in charge. Most the the real power rests with regional warlords.

There simply is no revenue stream there that can support a strong central government. We should have just supported the Northern alliance and all the other various regional powers that were ALREADY fighting the Taliban long before 911.

What in the ever loving fuck are Canadian soldiers even DOING in AssCrackistan? Good lord.

Edited May 24, 2012 by dre

[Canuckistani]

Sorry you have me confused, who did we contract the job to?

The US hired locals to go after Bin Laden. My guess is they took the money, got some more from BL to not find him.

[bud]

reality:

Reports vary but between 14 and 15 people have been killed in a double air strike on the southern city of Jaar. Of these, as many as a dozen are being reported as civilians. Up to 21 civilians have also been reported injured.

Earlier this year the Bureau exposed a CIA practice of ‘follow-up’ strikes in an investigation with the Sunday Times. On at least a dozen occasions twin strikes killed at least 50 civilians.

This is the highest number of civilians killed in a strike in Yemen attributed to the US since 30 died on 14 July 2011 in a strike on a Mudiya police station.

link

worth it?

[Guest Peeves]

But three Yemeni security officials have since told CNN it was a drone strike.

More likely a Yemeni air force strike. I wouldn't believe those that want to blame the USA or Israel for everything..now that it's difficult to blame Bush.

Personally if it was a failed effort, or a lie, I think Jimmy Carter is probably behind it

[DogOnPorch]

The real failure was ignoring what kind of country Afghanistan is. We went in there talking about "liberal democracies" and tried to set up a strong central government. But thats never how the place has worked. Even the Taliban only controlled a small portion of the country when they were in charge. Most the the real power rests with regional warlords.

There simply is no revenue stream there that can support a strong central government. We should have just supported the Northern alliance and all the other various regional powers that were ALREADY fighting the Taliban long before 911.

What in the ever loving fuck are Canadian soldiers even DOING in AssCrackistan? Good lord.

Afghanistan was once a garden. Girls wore miniskirts and listened to the Beatles.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#0

[Guest Peeves]

Afghanistan was once a garden. Girls wore miniskirts and listened to the Beatles.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#0

So was Iran.

Girls wore bikinis and listened to whatever they wanted to.

[DogOnPorch]

So was Iran.

Girls wore bikinis and listened to whatever they wanted to.

That Shah's wife was big into women's rights. The Shah went along...

[Guest Peeves]

So was Iran.

Girls wore bikinis and listened to whatever they wanted to.

Yea! USA, Supporting Yemen and attacking terrorist insurgents!

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/20/yemen-idINDEE84J03320120520

[GostHacked]

Which incident are you referring to? Because if its the one where 24 Pakistani soldiers who died after opening fire on an Afghan Army Patrol all I have to ask is, what kind of genius fires on the soldiers and expects no return fire? If the Pakistani soldiers were sitting there just minding their own business its one thing, when they opened fire on an Nato-Afghan patrol I would expect the Afghans to return fire and the Americans to provide any and all assistance they could. If it was Canadian Soldiers under attack I would expect the same from them, protecting and assisting ANA forces.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/world/asia/pakistan-says-us-drone-strike-kills-suspected-militants.html

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An American drone struck militant hide-outs in northwestern Pakistan for the second consecutive day on Thursday, despite public calls by the Pakistani government to halt the covert C.I.A. campaign.

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The drone strikes come at a time when diplomatic relations between the United States and Pakistan have worsened over Pakistan’s refusal to reopen NATO supply lines that were closed down last November. Pakistan has been demanding an American apology over an airstrike that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. In order to reopen the NATO supply lines, Pakistan’s Parliament has also demanded an end to drone strikes, and the government is seeking a much higher transit fee for each NATO container.

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The American drone strikes are immensely unpopular in the country and have caused increasing friction between the two countries. While the United States views the remotely piloted aircraft as vital in the fight against militants, the drones are seen as a breach of national sovereignty that also cause civilian deaths.

I don't see anything there about these guys firing on a Afghan army patrol. Got a link perhaps?

[Canuckistani]

Afghanistan was once a garden. Girls wore miniskirts and listened to the Beatles.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#0

There were two Afghanistans. Kabul was sophisticated, most of the country was as it is now, except the warlords weren't nearly as powerful and the Taliban didn't hold sway. With the overthrow of the monarchy, the slide began.

[DogOnPorch]

There were two Afghanistans. Kabul was sophisticated, most of the country was as it is now, except the warlords weren't nearly as powerful and the Taliban didn't hold sway. With the overthrow of the monarchy, the slide began.

Been to backwoods BC? Not too sophisticated next to gleaming Vancouver. Agreement re: overthrow of the monarchy.

[jbg]

Suicide bombers or drones? I don't think either of those helped one bit.

Suicide bombings overall are quite helpful to the Palestinians' cause. There creativity in inventing the suicide bomb is one of the reasons for my admiration of the Palestinians.