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[bush_cheney2004]

this is not a democracy....murdering palestinians.

Correct....Israel is most certainly not a democracy for murdering Palestinians. The 40th anniversary of the Munich Olympic Massacre is coming up...Yay Palestine!

[Signals.Cpl]

this is not a democracy. not according to two jewish israeli professors, a jewish woman and an israeli soldier who participated in the expelling and murdering palestinians.

Seems to me you are avoiding to explain yourself...

[bud]

Seems to me you are avoiding to explain yourself...

get back to me when you're able to explain the misinformation you typed and for lying about what was in the link you provided.

[Signals.Cpl]

get back to me when you're able to explain the misinformation you typed and for lying about what was in the link you provided.

Answer the question, we can be here all day trying to prove each side, but what are you trying to achieve?

[bud]

Answer the question, we can be here all day trying to prove each side, but what are you trying to achieve?

i want is honesty. something that you're unable to do.

i may disagree with many of bushcheney2004's opinions and find his comparisons to be ridiculous, but at least he doesn't try to b.s. his way through debates by providing false information.

what are you trying to achieve?

Edited May 17, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

i want is honesty. something that you're unable to do.

i may disagree with many of bushcheney2004's opinions and find his comparisons to be ridiculous, but at least he doesn't try to b.s. his way through debates by providing false information.

what are you trying to achieve?

I want to get a straight answer.

If you had the final say on all aid to Israel including sales of weapons as well would you suspend it and why?

You are ill informed and are trying to throw accusations around because you don't want to answer a simple question. I should have asked you this question from the begging rather then fuel your anti-Semitism.

You are racist, ignorant, stupid or a combination thereof. Why? Because you are trowing accusations about Israel pretending that the Arabs are the innocent victims of the region. The Arabs contribute enough to the whole bloodshed and there are still a number of organizations and Nations that still maintain their vow to destroy Israel.

You either don't understand what assisting Israel is all about or you don't care that ending all assistance to Israel means that lots and lots of people die. Tell me, what would you want to accomplish through stopping all aid? It will not bring peace to the middle east, well at least not with out ending life in the region.

Getting called out on your racism might not be the most comfortable place for you, but you started the topic and now its time to end it simply by telling everyone what your end game is what do you want to accomplish by stoping aid?

[bud]

I want to get a straight answer.

If you had the final say on all aid to Israel including sales of weapons as well would you suspend it and why?

of course i would suspend it. i would suspend any aid to any country that used the aid to oppress people. i would suspend aid to israel and all its neigbours. i would suspend aid to pakistan as well.

You are ill informed and are trying to throw accusations around because you don't want to answer a simple question. I should have asked you this question from the begging rather then fuel your anti-Semitism.

that doesn't make sense. you haven't once been able to refute any of the information i have shared here.

You are racist, ignorant, stupid or a combination thereof. Why? Because you are trowing accusations about Israel pretending that the Arabs are the innocent victims of the region. The Arabs contribute enough to the whole bloodshed and there are still a number of organizations and Nations that still maintain their vow to destroy Israel.

ooh. the racist card! how typical.

the arabs' reaction to israel is a symptom of the zionist movement and ideology. any ideology that oppresses another people in order to reach its goal is a bad ideology.

this a fact and not an opinion: over 3/4 of palestinians were expelled by israel in 1948. over 500 arab villages were taken out by jewish armies and militants to make way for greater israel. this is a simple fact that has been documented. do some research. read benny morris', a self-proclaimed zionist, book, righteous victims, that has not been refuted by any side of the political debate.

You either don't understand what assisting Israel is all about or you don't care that ending all assistance to Israel means that lots and lots of people die. Tell me, what would you want to accomplish through stopping all aid? It will not bring peace to the middle east, well at least not with out ending life in the region.

it will press israel to start following international law. did you know that the illegal jewish settlements in the occupied territories are growing 3 times faster than the population of israel? it's interesting what government subsidies can do. tell me how these illegal settlements are helping israel to secure itself?

Getting called out on your racism might not be the most comfortable place for you, but you started the topic and now its time to end it simply by telling everyone what your end game is what do you want to accomplish by stoping aid?

getting called a racist without showing how i'm a racist is kind of pointless. the anti-semite card is overplayed by semi-literates who are unable to debate the issue.

Edited May 17, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

of course i would suspend it. i would suspend any aid to any country that used the aid to oppress people. i would suspend aid to israel and all its neigbours. i would suspend aid to pakistan as well.

that doesn't make sense. you haven't once been able to refute any of the information i have shared here.

ooh. the racist card! how typical.

the arabs' reaction to israel is a symptom of the zionist movement and ideology. any ideology that oppresses another people in order to reach its goal is a bad ideology.

this a fact and not an opinion: over 3/4 of palestinians were expelled by israel in 1948. over 500 arab villages were taken out by jewish armies and militants to make way for greater israel. this is a simple fact that has been documented. do some research. read benny morris', a self-proclaimed zionist, book, righteous victims, that has not been refuted by any side of the political debate.

it will press israel to start following international law. did you know that the illegal jewish settlements in the occupied territories are growing 3 times faster than the population of israel? it's interesting what government subsidies can do. tell me how these illegal settlements are helping israel to secure itself?

getting called a racist without showing how i'm a racist is kind of pointless. the anti-semite card is overplayed by semi-literates who are unable to debate the issue.

What would be the outcome of preventing Israel from defending themselves? The outcome is that they get attacked and will have to use more extreme means of defence. It is exactly the same mentality of the peace/disarmament crowd. If only we would disarm ourselves the Arabs would have no reason to attack us or hate us. If we only forced Israel to do what? Stop defending themselves?Surrender? Die?

You want peace? Get the Arabs to give up their insane desire for genocide, get the arabs to stop sending rockets, suicide bombers or any and all attacks on Israel then we can talk. Make an agreement that all holy sites will be shared with international monitoring to prevent any issues. Then pour resources in to Palestine and bring their standard of living up. It seems to me that you are ignoring all the terrible things that the Arabs are doing while exaggerating and taking out of context what the Israelis are doing.

You cannot pressure anyone to do anything if they are surrounded by people who want them dead, what you can expect is that if you withdraw all assistance in defence then they will be more open to using extreme means tactics.

[DogOnPorch]

Meh...I can't figure out why the planet gives time to a movement started by an SS man that endorsed terrorism and genocide. It's not like the Arabs didn't get the huge majority of the former Allied mandates. But, then the planet generally can't figure out how they got the caramel in the Caramilk Bar...

Good luck with, bud. I think he does all this to try and get a date with Jenny Peto.

[dre]

Meh...I can't figure out why the planet gives time to a movement started by an SS man that endorsed terrorism and genocide.

You cant figure out something THAT simple and obvious?

Regardless of what that "movement" is rooted in, and what this conflict is rooted in, theres a few million people there that have to live somewhere and are being kept in a state of perpetual statelesness and occupation. People support the right to self determination for the palestinians for the same reason they support it for the jews.

[Guest Peeves]

You cant figure out something THAT simple and obvious?

Regardless of what that "movement" is rooted in, and what this conflict is rooted in, theres a few million people there that have to live somewhere and are being kept in a state of perpetual statelesness and occupation. People support the right to self determination for the palestinians for the same reason they support it for the jews.

First they keep themselves in a perpetual state of statelessness The Arabs could have had a Palestinian state in 1947-48 (as did Israel) but declined then and have sabotaged any attempt of one ever since.

They are not occupied per se. They are living in disputed lands because of a war. They could negotiate those disputed territories by accepting Israel's right to exist within agreed on secure borders.

They will not accept that there is country called Israel? They will not agree to Israels right to exist within ANY borders.

A million Arabs are Israeli citizens living -working, going to university, voting, with more rights in Israel,a Democracy, than they would have in Arab countries.

??? (Do any part of a million Jews live now in any Muslim country ?) A million Jews were driven from Arab countries)

To say nothing of millions more that lost lives and land and possessions (like gold teeth and hair !)

In Europe.

Millions of Arabs have moved on to Jordan etc. Million have immigrated elsewhere. Those that stay in Israel would not I suggest trade places with an Egyptian- Syrian- Iraqi.

Those that are in the disputed territories are certainly deserving of human rights, but their leaders with published mandates that call for Israels eradication, destruction, are not going to negotiate any agreement that includes a state of Israel, and I know from history, that any leader of the Arabs that concedes Israel's right to exist, will be murdered immediately. So I say THAT isn't going to happen, and any Arabs living in the region, the 'occupied' disputed territories, had expect to be in that situ for a long time.

Israel is not about to weaken her deferences.Israel is not about to accept Arabs in numbers that would compromise what IS an Jewish state and must remain a Jewish state in numbers and in fact.

Israel has every right to do what is best for Israel and Israelis and Jews...first.

It should be obvious to all that those that single out Israel, point fingers at Israel (Jews), have an agenda.

There are upheavals and atrocities by governments all over the Muslim world. A huge world of Arabs and others. Despots killing Muslims by the thousands. Persecuting Muslims by the hundreds of thousands. Killing Christians, Bahá'í, Hindu, Sikh, yet these with an agenda aimed at Jews almost always ignore the Muslim atrocities. Why?

Because they're not Jews. Because Israel and Jews exist and it drives them nuts.

It blinds them to the murders of the other religious followers by Muslims. It blinds them to the murders so many more Muslims killed Now, today, this month, by Muslims then are or have been threatened by Israel's existence over it's entire history!.

Look at the map of JUST the Arab countries that would in a N.Y. minute dispatch a few more million Jews given the opportunity.

http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm

To those of you that ignore the rest of the Arabs duplicity and murders of their citizens,other creeds,

and focus on a sliver of land,a democracy in a sea of injustice ,murder, and mayhem,I say Sieg Heil ! my buddies. Such are so warped that they can put on blinders that ONLY see the one sliver of a country surrounded by millions and huge countries. Fortunately their agenda, their 'cause is an old one and can be readily seen for what and who they are, bald pate or swagger stick or crooked cross apparently displayed or not.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/relative.html

[DogOnPorch]

You cant figure out something THAT simple and obvious?

Regardless of what that "movement" is rooted in, and what this conflict is rooted in, theres a few million people there that have to live somewhere and are being kept in a state of perpetual statelesness and occupation. People support the right to self determination for the palestinians for the same reason they support it for the jews.

So? None of that was the Israeli's problem. That the Mufti wanted his little empire, too, is more Jordan's problem. The Arabs should not have opted for war in an attempt to take the Jew's slice of the Ottoman pie. But they tried. Had the Nazi Mufti been hanged rather than being allowed to do his evil work the ME would be a much better place. But he was allowed to hide from the noose by his supporters. You do see the irony of having the very fellow stuffing Jews into Death Camps as the leader of the Palestinian Arabs...I hope. Same goes for his Egyptian terrorist nephew. Seems that if a Nazi and an Egyptian can be the leader of this cause, I have to ask: what is a Palestinian?