jacee Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 It's hilarious how you build so many straw men to run around and attack. That's not why they're being arrested. Kettling and mass arrests are due to an "unlawful assembly" with no route designated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 The Quebec students have the lowest tuition in the country because their tuition is subsidized thru transfer payments, of which Alberta contributes the vast majority ( and Alberta students pay 6000$ in tuition. - fucking parasites Tuition should be free. Alberta students should fight harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Tuition should be free. Alberta students should fight harder. Great, once again who is going to pay for it? How will you raise the money for free tuition? How will you convince the government to spend the money on tuition instead of the hundred or so other pressing issues? How do you justify paying for the "higher" education of somebody who is in a program with the only career path being Tim Hortons? How do you justify free education for the kids of people making 100k+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Throwing rocks on subway tracks and gas bombs isn't demonstrating, it's criminal and anarchy. Any that can't see that or that supports such crimes are quite mad. Of the hundreds of thousands of protesters, only a very few have engaged in such acts. I believe you exaggerate. Wouldn't anarchy be hundreds of protesters running amok, police control is lost, government is disrupted and unable to function, public utilities are dysfunctional, etc?I see no "anarchy". Just a large protest and a few disrupters, and a few disgruntled posters making mountains out of molehills. Nothing to see here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Great, once again who is going to pay for it? How will you raise the money for free tuition? How will you convince the government to spend the money on tuition instead of the hundred or so other pressing issues? How do you justify paying for the "higher" education of somebody who is in a program with the only career path being Tim Hortons? How do you justify free education for the kids of people making 100k+? The people making 100k+ are doing ok, the ones making 1000k+ are doing much better. It would probably be better for the economy to direct wealth into reinvesting in the economy via education. I do think that higher education should be redesigned somewhat. It's now thought of as a ticket to middle class living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolak Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 The people making 100k+ are doing ok, the ones making 1000k+ are doing much better. It would probably be better for the economy to direct wealth into reinvesting in the economy via education. I do think that higher education should be redesigned somewhat. It's now thought of as a ticket to middle class living. I wouldn't completely agree, students are now taught that without university there nothing. Therefore everyone goes to university because they have to (a lot of entry level jobs require degrees because its the norm). This is VERY bad because a lot of students have generic degrees that land them in under $50k jobs. So they have debt because of expensive tuition and have to fight in a slow economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Got to explain why an F1 Race Montreal begged to have back is being ruined by protesters I guess. Speaking of which, Jacques Villeneuve was critical of the student protestors who, in his opinion, are the product of parents who have never said no to any of their wishes. After making that statement, he has received a number of threats. In response, he said that the protesters demand unfettered free speech but are intolerant of his right to free speech because his views don't align with theirs. IMO Villeneuve handled the situation deftly. «J'ai reçu des messages très agressifs, a-t-il raconté. C'est dommage de voir ces réactions, car apparemment, ils [les étudiants] prônent la liberté d'expression, mais là , on n'a pas le droit de dire ce qu'on pense parce que ça va à l'encontre de [ce que les manifestants] disent.» http://fr.canoe.ca/sports/nouvelles/courseautomobile/f1/archives/2012/06/20120608-174612.html F1 is big in France right? As it is in other countries so why single out France for the missive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) I'm sure it never occurred to that paragon of intellectualism Villeneuve that perhaps these protests are because students and youth have been said "no" to far too many times. No benefits. No pensions. No jobs. No money. He handled the situation deftly alright, except it's spelled "daftly." Edited June 9, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 paragon of intellectualism Villeneuve Are you saying one must be an intellectual in order to speak one's mind freely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolak Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I'm sure it never occurred to that paragon of intellectualism Villeneuve that perhaps these protests are because students and youth have been said "no" to far too many times. No benefits. No pensions. No jobs. No money. He handled the situation deftly alright, except it's spelled "daftly." And how is what their doing addressing the problem? If anything its doing them more harm then good. Its hurting the economy and the governments budget. Do they have a right to protest against tuition hikes? Definitely. Are they proposing solutions on how to balance the budget without raising tuition? Nope, just wasting more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Their protest is hurting the government's budget. That breaks my heart. Maybe they should stop protesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolak Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Their protest is hurting the government's budget. That breaks my heart. Maybe they should stop protesting. And hopefully result in an exciting provincial election. It's in 2013 right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Their protest is hurting the government's budget. That breaks my heart. Maybe they should stop protesting. And of course the Government's money grows on trees. Much it was ours once upon a time. Fools seem to think that government budget is financed by some regional socialist bank funded by fairies and leprechauns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 And of course the Government's money grows on trees. Much it was ours once upon a time. Fools seem to think that government budget is financed by some regional socialist bank funded by fairies and leprechauns. The government should make better decisions with how they spend their money then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archanfel Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) Not sure what they are complaining about. If they don't think the education is worth the money, just don't go to school. Nobody is forcing them. Edited June 10, 2012 by Archanfel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 The government should make better decisions with how they spend their money then. So should the students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunrutz Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 The government should make better decisions with how they spend their money then. Can we all have a say or are those decision to be made buy the students alone? We were all students once, all young once, i don't remember having all of the answers or the most realistic viewpoints, luckily some of us grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I'm sure it never occurred to that paragon of intellectualism Villeneuve that perhaps these protests are because students and youth have been said "no" to far too many times. No benefits. No pensions. No jobs. No money. He handled the situation deftly alright, except it's spelled "daftly." No benefits? B/S they get an education, student loans, bursaries, scholarships and all subsidised by the tax payer. You think they as students are entitled to pension they've never paid into? Paid by who? No money? b/s they spend money on non essentials all the time AND many hold part time jobs to pay their way. The problem is not that they've been told 'NO' "too many times," it's that they were not told no often enough and won't or don't understand 'NO" means NO! Many want to go to school,they accept that there is a cost, and yet can't because some socialist whiners want daddy to pay and pay and pay ad nauseam. BTW why not have profs that support their 'cause' donate a free year of classes as a show of solidarity (forever.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 The government should make better decisions with how they spend their money then. They do, then spoiled brats engage in anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 No benefits? B/S they get an education, student loans, bursaries, scholarships and all subsidised by the tax payer.I'm going to stop you right here.They pay for their own education, books and expenses. Student loans are just that. Loans paid back with interest. Bursaries and scholarships, except at the graduate level for the top-performing students who receive research grants by SSHRC or NSERC, are almost entirely funded by private donations. Thus, your stake in all of this is a fraction of what you think it is and much less than the students' own stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Can we all have a say or are those decision to be made buy the students alone? We were all students once, all young once, i don't remember having all of the answers or the most realistic viewpoints, luckily some of us grow up. Like that sober realist Charest, whom has long been admired by the same people who despise the protesters. Evidently, all a hated Liberal has to do is to start cracking protesters' heads, and infringing on their right to asembly...and then he's the go-to guy for rational adulthood and responsible leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'm going to stop you right here. They pay for their own education, books and expenses. Student loans are just that. Loans paid back with interest. Bursaries and scholarships, except at the graduate level for the top-performing students who receive research grants by SSHRC or NSERC, are almost entirely funded by private donations. Thus, your stake in all of this is a fraction of what you think it is and much less than the students' own stake. So you really think Quebec students are hard done by. You really think their comparative pittance of a tuition covers the cost of their education? Tax payers pay and most want students to contribute when they reach university/college. ...and I read that many student loans are never paid back or are forgiven. The facts are that those whining rioting students have no justification for their destructive behavior. http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/learning/canada_student_loan/Publications/annual_report/2009-2010/tables/default_institution.shtml Caption: This graph shows Canada Student Loan Default Rates by Institution Type. Loan years range from 2003-04 to 2008-09. The graph shows a downward trend between 2003-04 and 2008-09 for university, colleges/institutions, and private institutions. The three-year cohort default rates were 9.5%, 17%, and 29% for students from university, colleges/institutions and private institutions in 2008–2009. This is down from 20.5%, 31.6% and 40.7% for the 2003–04 cohort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 They pay for their own education, books and expenses.Student loans are just that. Loans paid back with interest. They pay tuitions greatly subsidised by taxpayers; moreso than anywhere else on this continent. Hence, their loans upon graduation are less than that of anyone who went to university outside of Quebec. Besides, isn't the ultimate goal of these people to see themselves pay zero tuition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 And why shouldn't they pay zero tuition? Taxpayers pay for elementary and high school. Then all of a sudden, people that have not been in the workforce are all of a sudden expected to have the finances to go to university? Moreover, the youth unemployment rate, counting only those looking for fulltime work, is double the national average. Some nations pay their post-secondary students a stipend. There's absolutely no reason Canada or the provinces can't re-arrange their finances to make this a normal part of our society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) And why shouldn't they pay zero tuition? Taxpayers pay for elementary and high school. Then all of a sudden, people that have not been in the workforce are all of a sudden expected to have the finances to go to university? The first question to ask is: Why should university become an extention of the public school system? The PSS provides a general, fairly basic education. What one does after completing public school education is up to the individual; university is but only one choice available. Why, then, should university be the only fully publicly funded option, as though it were simply extra, but very specific, high school? There are other ways by which university tuition could be payed. [ed.: +] Edited June 13, 2012 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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