Romney Voter Fraud?

[Guest American Woman]

If it was indeed unfinished, then yes, I doubt he lived down in the basement.

But if it was finished, you don't doubt that a multi-millionaire lived in his son's basement? Good grief. Admit it, shady. He didn't live in his son's basement. Finished or not.

[Shady]

But if it was finished, you don't doubt that a multi-millionaire lived in his son's basement? Good grief. Admit it, shady. He didn't live in his son's basement. Finished or not.

You don't think he could have lived in a very niced furnished basement of a very nice house for even just a few months? Ok.

Anyways, like I told punked. Take it up with Belmont city officials. They seem to feel everything is ok. So if you have an issue, give'em a call, or drive down to talk to them. Otherwise, who cares?

[punked]

You don't think he could have lived in a very niced furnished basement of a very nice house for even just a few months? Ok.

Anyways, like I told punked. Take it up with Belmont city officials. They seem to feel everything is ok. So if you have an issue, give'em a call, or drive down to talk to them. Otherwise, who cares?

Sure and Belmont officials who never seen where he pays his taxes may say he was legal to vote there. His tax officials who never see his voter registration may say New Hampshire was legal for him to pay his taxes. We will never know until he releases those 2010 taxes. Although that means he is a resident of two states? Isn't this the kinda of stuff Republicans are always Railing about?

Edited April 22, 2012 by punked

[jbg]

Until we get some policy I am sure we will see lots of stories of this type. Although it does raise the question "Is it ok for the Rich to commit voter Fraud while keeping the poor from actually voting by requiring an ID"

Here is the story it is an interesting read.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/did-mitt-romney-commit-voter-fraud

I'm sure his one vote swung the election to Brown.

I'm guessing a lot more voters will care about his strapping his dog on the roof of his car than they will voter fraud: Public Policy Polling ... found 35 percent of voters said they would be less likely to vote for Romney because of what he did to Seamus.

It'll be interesting to see where the voter fraud charge leads, but then paying the penalty, if it comes to that, won't hurt his pocket book in the least.

That's a very "ruff" thing to accuse him of.

[Guest American Woman]

You don't think he could have lived in a very niced furnished basement of a very nice house for even just a few months? Ok.

Nope, I don't. Especially not according to the legal definition of "residency" in Massachusetts: According to Massachusetts law, a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life” ... I'm sure Mitt's son's basement was the center of his social life. link

Anyways, like I told punked. Take it up with Belmont city officials. They seem to feel everything is ok. So if you have an issue, give'em a call, or drive down to talk to them. Otherwise, who cares?

No thanks, I'm taking it up with you, since it's your take on it that I'm interested in at the moment. Furthermore, unless you can provide a quote, you have no idea how the Belmont city officials feel. As for "who cares," plenty of people, evidently. Just like you would care if this were Obama instead of Romney.

I'm sure his one vote swung the election to Brown.

Not sure what your point is. You do realize that it's still voter fraud even if it didn't swing the election, right?

Edited April 22, 2012 by American Woman

[jbg]

Not sure what your point is. You do realize that it's still voter fraud even if it didn't swing the election, right?

Depends on what Massachusetts law is on the subject. Clearly he's not a stranger to the state.

[Guest American Woman]

Depends on what Massachusetts law is on the subject. Clearly he's not a stranger to the state.

So you think Massachusetts law might stipulate that it's not voter fraud if it didn't swing the election?

Being no stranger to the state has nothing to do with whether or not he committed voter fraud; no one has claimed that he did it unknowingly. He may very well have thought that he was privileged enough to get away with bending the rules, and no doubt he probably is.

[Shakeyhands]

Depends on what Massachusetts law is on the subject. Clearly he's not a stranger to the state.

I visit ridings all over Ontario, even have relatives in other ridings, does that give me the right to vote in them?

[Shady]

unless you can provide a quote, you have no idea how the Belmont city officials feel.

I already have. Perhaps you missed it.

[Guest American Woman]

I already have. Perhaps you missed it.

So "city clerk" = "city officals?" - because that's the only quote I saw. And fyi, a city clerk can be either wrong, or on the wrong side of the law, too. Fact is, Mitt's son's property was inspected after the election in question, but if you want to believe that he chose to live in an unfinished basement over the two multi-million dollar homes that he owned at the time, that's your prerogative; and of course it goes without saying that you're going to apply the same standards to claims about Obama.

[Shady]

So "city clerk" = "city officals?"

Well, she's the one responsible for voter registration. Who else are we suppose to listen to? The fishmonger or the supposed GOP presidential candidate from 2010 Fred Karger, that are the sources for this particular story?

[punked]

So "city clerk" = "city officals?" - because that's the only quote I saw. And fyi, a city clerk can be either wrong, or on the wrong side of the law, too. Fact is, Mitt's son's property was inspected after the election in question, but if you want to believe that he chose to live in an unfinished basement over the two multi-million dollar homes that he owned at the time, that's your prerogative; and of course it goes without saying that you're going to apply the same standards to claims about Obama.

We also don't know where he paid his 2010 taxes and claimed residency on those because unlike EVERY other presidential candidate from his own father on he hasn't released more then one year of tax returns. It raises questions.

[Shady]

We also don't know where he paid his 2010 taxes and claimed residency on those because unlike EVERY other presidential candidate from his own father on he hasn't released more then one year of tax returns. It raises questions.

Definitely. Kinda like Obama not releasing his college transcripts. In fact, going through the trouble of having them sealed, unlike EVERY other presidential candidate. It raises questions.

[Guest American Woman]

Well, she's the one responsible for voter registration. Who else are we suppose to listen to? The fishmonger or the supposed GOP presidential candidate from 2010 Fred Karger, that are the sources for this particular story?

Really? You think the city clerk knows Mitt was living in his son's unfinished basement? All she knows is what he claimed, Unless, perhaps, she attended one of his social events down there.

[Shady]

Really? You think the city clerk knows Mitt was living in his son's unfinished basement? All she knows is what he claimed, Unless, perhaps, she attended one of his social events down there.

Perhaps. Maybe you should ask her!

[punked]

Definitely. Kinda like Obama not releasing his college transcripts. In fact, going through the trouble of having them sealed, unlike EVERY other presidential candidate. It raises questions.

Yah except his collage transcripts wont show he is voting on one state and paying taxes (to get a lower rate) in another. Taxation with out representation is what the American revolution was all about. Now we might find out that a presidential candidate is voting in one place while avoiding his taxes in the same place. That is just wrong it would also point to another Romney lie.

That is a little different then Obama getting a C in a history class 30 years ago.

Edited April 22, 2012 by punked

[Shady]

Yah accept his collage transcripts wont show he is voting on one state and paying taxes (to get a lower rate) in another. Taxation with out representation is what the American revolution was all about. Now we might find out that a presidential candidate is voting in one place while avoiding his taxes in the same place. That is just wrong it would also point to another Romney lie.

That is a little different then Obama getting a C in a history class 30 years ago.

I'm just asking questions.

[punked]

I'm just asking questions.

What question are you asking? All I see is some false equivalence. Obama's taxes for the last 12 years are out there and guess what? He filed where he votes, owns a house and lives. Did Mitt? I am betting he didn't I am betting he paid his taxes in low tax rate New Hampshire.

[Shady]

What question are you asking? All I see is some false equivalence. Obama's taxes for the last 12 years are out there and guess what? He filed where he votes, owns a house and lives. Did Mitt? I am betting he didn't I am betting he paid his taxes in low tax rate New Hampshire.

What's Obama hiding and why?

[punked]

What's Obama hiding and why?

I don't know maybe you should suggest something like I have. I have suggested Romney has either committed voter Fraud or he is a tax cheat. He can not reside in two states. What would Obama's collage transcripts show?

I'll tell you what though. After the right wing attacked Derrick Bel a professor of Obama's who he introduced in 1991 I would be careful to release my transcript too. These people don't need to be attack because right wing loonies have already proven they are willing to go after anyone who Obama has so much looked at. His professors who would be on his transcripts don't deserve to be attack and the right has already proven they will do it with Derrick Bel. So I suggest to you he isn't hiding anything but protecting some people from the right attack machine. Prove me wrong.

[Shady]

I don't know maybe you should suggest something like I have. I have suggested Romney has either committed voter Fraud or he is a tax cheat. He can not reside in two states. What would Obama's collage transcripts show?

I'll tell you what though. After the right wing attacked Derrick Bel a professor of Obama's who he introduced in 1991 I would be careful to release my transcript too. These people don't need to be attack because right wing loonies have already proven they are willing to go after anyone who Obama has so much looked at. His professors who would be on his transcripts don't deserve to be attack and the right has already proven they will do it with Derrick Bel. So I suggest to you he isn't hiding anything but protecting some people from the right attack machine. Prove me wrong.

And perhaps Mitt Romney isn't hiding anything either, he's just protecting himself and his family from the left attack machine. The left attack machine that has attacked him because of his success and his wealth every single chance they've gotten. However, Obama had his transcripts sealed back in '08. 4 years before the Derreck Bell association. Nice try though.

I've got a great idea. Romney releases his tax returns from the last couple of years, which he'll probably do soon anyways, and Obama releases his college transcripts.

[punked]

And perhaps Mitt Romney isn't hiding anything either, he's just protecting himself and his family from the left attack machine. The left attack machine that has attacked him because of his success and his wealth every single chance they've gotten. However, Obama had his transcripts sealed back in '08. 4 years before the Derreck Bell association. Nice try though.

I've got a great idea. Romney releases his tax returns from the last couple of years, which he'll probably do soon anyways, and Obama releases his college transcripts.

How? How does releasing or not releasing his tax returns protect him from attacks about his taxes Shady? The right wing has already tried to destroy one of Obama's professors so we know they are willing to do that.

Yepp the 2011 attacks on Derreck Bell show that Obama was right to seal his transcripts. If they weren't who knows how many of Obama's teachers names would be dragged through the mud. We have seen what happens when the right wing learn about one professor because the Derreck Bell situation. Sorry.

Romney wont release his tax returns Shady we both know that. Obama wont release his College transcripts (because we already know what the right wing hate machine would do to those poor people who taught Obama) and you will keep comparing this false equivalence. Obama's tax returns are out. Romney's aren't there is the equivalence.

[Shady]

Yepp the 2011 attacks on Derreck Bell show that Obama was right to seal his transcripts.

Probably. Because if he didn't seal them, his true radical ideas and feeling regarding politics and race would come out in the open. And then he'd have to explain himself. Sealing them allows him to pretend he's a centrist, with less radical ideas.

[punked]

Probably. Because if he didn't seal them, his true radical ideas and feeling regarding politics and race would come out in the open. And then he'd have to explain himself. Sealing them allows him to pretend he's a centrist, with less radical ideas.

Thank you for proving my point. The real problem is the right will look at classes he may have taken and attack those who taught them. That is a very good reason to seal those records. So again what is Romney hiding? Maybe it is voter fraud or tax cheating. What do you think Obama is hiding? He took a class on socialism once? Really that is what you got? Not even close to equal.

[Shady]

Thank you for proving my point. The real problem is the right will look at classes he may have taken and attack those who taught them.

Or maybe it'll give insight into his radical ideas and his true beliefs. Does anybody know what his thesis was? That would be interesting as well. Weren't you one the head attackers of Gov. Bob McDonnell's college thesis? I believe you were. Interesting. Don't you think you're being kind of hypocritical? It's ok to attack Republican's college records, but with Obama's it's ok to hide.

Uh oh, looky what I found...

Apparently the Republican in the race took some pretty crazy stances in his 89 Thesis.

Any interest in Obama's thesis? Or is it just Republicans?

So again what is Romney hiding?

Well, what's Obama hiding?