Bullets storage rule, shot down

[Guest Derek L]

That Robson Arms XCR is cool looking for sure, and the Swiss Arms rifle looks like a bastardized cross between the AR and AK platforms and an FN FAL. Both very cool!

Love the picatinny rails on both, especially on the XCR...the cool factor to add optics, lights etc is a winner with the kids... shades of COD.

I liked the fact that it’s advertised as being real simple to convert it between different calibers (5.56/6.8/7.62x39 etc), but I’ve just read a lot of poor reviews about it……In my mind, if I’m paying $2500 for a rifle, I want the sound of angles singing when I take it out of the box……I’ll probably end up getting a used Colt or ArmaLite AR (Heavy and long barrel) in the hopes that they are reclassified back to non-restricted…….

[Shakeyhands]

I liked the fact that it’s advertised as being real simple to convert it between different calibers (5.56/6.8/7.62x39 etc), but I’ve just read a lot of poor reviews about it……In my mind, if I’m paying $2500 for a rifle, I want the sound of angles singing when I take it out of the box……I’ll probably end up getting a used Colt or ArmaLite AR (Heavy and long barrel) in the hopes that they are reclassified back to non-restricted…….

We should probably start a "favourite gun" or "I want this gun" thread but I fear it would three of us posting in it.

[Shakeyhands]

As to the original topic at hand. I took my GF out yesterday, we had to drive 1 1/2 hours north of where we live to do some target shooting and get her used to firing a couple of our guns. We drove up to some crown land and had a nice afternoon. My GF did a great job and really increased her comfort level.

We drove up with our ammunition locked up, locked it up again when we left. Not a big deal. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have their ammunition locked safely away.

[Guest Derek L]

As to the original topic at hand. I took my GF out yesterday, we had to drive 1 1/2 hours north of where we live to do some target shooting and get her used to firing a couple of our guns. We drove up to some crown land and had a nice afternoon. My GF did a great job and really increased her comfort level.

We drove up with our ammunition locked up, locked it up again when we left. Not a big deal. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have their ammunition locked safely away.

The amount of space ammunition requires, and with these requirements, this will become a financial burden for many…….Ultimately though, it’s the principle.

[The_Squid]

The amount of space ammunition requires, and with these requirements, this will become a financial burden for many…….Ultimately though, it’s the principle.

Which principle is that? Being allowed to have unsafe weapons? The right to be stupid? I'm confused as to the principle behind unsafe use and storage of weapons/ammo.

[Guest Derek L]

Which principle is that? Being allowed to have unsafe weapons? The right to be stupid? I'm confused as to the principle behind unsafe use and storage of weapons/ammo.

The Government can’t mandate stupidity or lack there of. If a criminal broke into my home, is said criminal going to be deterred by a lock on a door or cabinet?

[The_Squid]

The Government can’t mandate stupidity or lack there of. If a criminal broke into my home, is said criminal going to be deterred by a lock on a door or cabinet?

I don't see any principles in there..... What principle are you trying to defend that is assaulted by having to lock up your bullets?

[Guest Derek L]

I don't see any principles in there..... What principle are you trying to defend that is assaulted by having to lock up your bullets?

The Government requiring me to….It’s not the Government’s concern, nor business, if I keep all my ammo in a safe, Rubbermaid container, under my bed, in the closet, out in the garage etc…Nor does it mater in terms of public safety what I do in my own home.

These ammos storage regs were “stealth gun control” implemented by Liberal appointed bureaucrats, that would require many to purchase further “secured storage devices” or face the wrath of the law….Of course, they could choose not too keep any large amounts of ammo within their homes, which would be quite alright by the anti-gun lobby.

I hope they all get pink slips.

[cybercoma]

The Government can’t mandate stupidity or lack there of. If a criminal broke into my home, is said criminal going to be deterred by a lock on a door or cabinet?

They tried to from the 20s until the 70s.

[Guest Derek L]

They tried to from the 20s until the 70s.

I don't follow your point.......The current laws require me to either store it separately from my firearms or have it in a locked container with my firearms...What's the problem?

[cybercoma]

I don't follow your point.......The current laws require me to either store it separately from my firearms or have it in a locked container with my firearms...What's the problem?

You mentioned the government mandating stupidity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Canada

More specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Eugenics_Board

[Guest Derek L]

You mentioned the government mandating stupidity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Canada

More specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Eugenics_Board

Perhaps I wasn’t clear…..The Government can’t legislate stupidity on the part of the populace……Or ignorance isn’t a defence.

[cybercoma]

Perhaps I wasn’t clear…..The Government can’t legislate stupidity on the part of the populace……Or ignorance isn’t a defence.

Sterilizing people that fail an IQ is mandating stupidity.

Nevermind... I guess it was an obscure reference.

[Guest Derek L]

You mentioned the government mandating stupidity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Canada

More specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Eugenics_Board

To add, and kinda go full circle back to overbearing Government, clearly in the case of eugenics laws, the best interests in a portion of the population wasn’t taken into account…….I would assume in a hypothetical scenario, if agents of the Government tried to take one of your families members away for forced sterilization or to lock-up in a sanatorium, and their only crime was being born with a mental or physical defect, you’d be opposed like I.

Wouldn’t your opposition be more valid if your family could oppose such acts, if required, with force?

[Guest Derek L]

Sterilizing people that fail an IQ is mandating stupidity.

Nevermind... I guess it was an obscure reference.

I agree see above post ^, you beat me to it

[cybercoma]

To add, and kinda go full circle back to overbearing Government, clearly in the case of eugenics laws, the best interests in a portion of the population wasn’t taken into account…….I would assume in a hypothetical scenario, if agents of the Government tried to take one of your families members away for forced sterilization or to lock-up in a sanatorium, and their only crime was being born with a mental or physical defect, you’d be opposed like I.

Wouldn’t your opposition be more valid if your family could oppose such acts, if required, with force?

People didn't oppose it at the time though. They actually thought this would create a better more progressive society. All social ills would be solved if we could just clean up the bloodlines.

[huh]

I don't see any principles in there..... What principle are you trying to defend that is assaulted by having to lock up your bullets?

It is the principle of good sense, of which it seems many of you have none at all. It's all so pathetic and tiring living in a country so full of people like that, you wouldn't know it though, being one of them. The rules already in place are adequate.

You want the bullets to be locked up but i bet you are all for leniency and rehabilitation for the drug addict who breaks into your house looking for something to steal, but hey, if he didn't break in i wouldn't worry about him stealing my shotgun, sort of a chicken and egg thing. Its all so simple, it is people like you who make it complicated, your ideology is broken and goes against natural law in almost every way, it's no wonder you dont see the principles.

[The_Squid]

It is the principle of good sense, of which it seems many of you have none at all.

It seems to make good sense to lock up ammunition.

It's all so pathetic and tiring living in a country so full of people like that, you wouldn't know it though, being one of them.

Maybe you should consider moving...?

The rules already in place are adequate.

The rules say that "Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm. "

Some might say that it is inadequate. Personally, my ammo is locked up. Because it is safer that way... I don't need to do stupid things based on some sort of right-wing "principle". It doesn't make me more "principled" to store guns/ammo in an unsafe manner.

You want the bullets to be locked up but i bet you are all for leniency and rehabilitation for the drug addict who breaks into your house looking for something to steal, but hey, if he didn't break in i wouldn't worry about him stealing my shotgun, sort of a chicken and egg thing.

Bullets locked up and rehab for drug addicts are two entirely seperate and unrelated items. This is a red herring.

Its all so simple, it is people like you who make it complicated, your ideology is broken and goes against natural law in almost every way, it's no wonder you dont see the principles.

What natural law governs ammunition storage?

You claim to know me pretty well... but your fantasy of a pinko NDP'er living in the city is a little off-base! I use guns for hunting and bear defence. Now there's a shocker! A pinko lefty commie with a shotgun!!

[Guest Derek L]

It seems to make good sense to lock up ammunition.

Maybe you should consider moving...?

The rules say that "Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm. "

Some might say that it is inadequate. Personally, my ammo is locked up. Because it is safer that way... I don't need to do stupid things based on some sort of right-wing "principle". It doesn't make me more "principled" to store guns/ammo in an unsafe manner.

And why would that be inadequate? I’ve no problem with current storage laws for both guns and ammo…..What purpose does reinventing the wheel serve? Other than furthering the cost of gun ownership or reducing the amount of ammo people will keep in their house?

[Guest Derek L]

And here we go:

Bruce Hyer leaves NDP caucus to sit as Independent

s MPs returned to work after a two-week break Monday, the NDP learned that Bruce Hyer has left caucus to sit as an Independent.

Hyer, MP for Thunder Bay-Superior North, said that while he has "much respect for most Members in this House," he criticized what he called "mindless solidarity, where political parties are always right and voters are always wrong."

Hyer broke ranks with the NDP on the recent gun registry vote, siding with the Tories to scrap the registry.

In a statement posted to his website, Hyer cited the registry debate as an example of an issue "where there has been no real compromise at all."

In his statement, Hyer criticized NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair for wanting to bring back the registry and indicating he would whip the vote to do so. Hyer also said he was "concerned that Mr. Mulcair does not seem willing to co-operate with other parties on important issues."

Hyer was left out of the NDP's shadow cabinet when it was announced last week. He said he took that as "a clear message that my constituents will be muzzled.

"As an Independent voice, I will better be able to represent my constituents in Parliament," he said.

[cybercoma]

Either his constituents are completely clueless or he stabbed them in the back. The NDP's position on the gun registry was perfectly clear during the election. They voted him in to power and he went against that. Pretty straight forward. Party policy is made at convention by the membership. He doesn't just get to decide unilaterally what to do after his constituents voted for a New Democrat, fully knowing what the party policy is.

[Guest Derek L]

Either his constituents are completely clueless or he stabbed them in the back. The NDP's position on the gun registry was perfectly clear during the election. They voted him in to power and he went against that. Pretty straight forward. Party policy is made at convention by the membership. He doesn't just get to decide unilaterally what to do after his constituents voted for a New Democrat, fully knowing what the party policy is.

Or he is representing his constituents wishes?

[cybercoma]

Or he is representing his constituents wishes?

Like I said, if his constituents elected someone from the NDP, knowing full well what their policy is on the gun registry, then his constituents are clueless. I don't think that's the case.

[Guest Derek L]

Like I said, if his constituents elected someone from the NDP, knowing full well what their policy is on the gun registry, then his constituents are clueless. I don't think that's the case.

So it's either his fault or his constituents. Got it.

[cybercoma]

Fault? What fault? I don't understand.