F-35 Purchase

[punked]

No...if people like you get their way there will be world war. See: Origins of WW2. You'd have let Germany do whatever it wanted, too.

If we let Germany do whatever they wanted to the NAZIs would never have used the treaty of versailles in the first place to come to power. Just thought I would point out you don't get to change history.

[DogOnPorch]

If we let Germany do whatever they wanted to the NAZIs would never have used the treaty of versailles in the first place to come to power. Just thought I would point out you don't get to change history.

Typical...blame Poland for WW2.

[punked]

Typical...blame Poland for WW2.

I am not blaming anyone for WW2. I am pointing out that your black and white views of the world are wrong.

[Guest Derek L]

Maybe just maybe their wont be a next world war. I know if people like you get their way there will be but lets just hope.

You think I advocate war? Quite the opposite actually, but unilateral disarmament doesn’t ensure peace…….For nearly 50 years, the largest operators of nuclear weapons, ensured world peace with their collective arsenals……..to paraphrase, Peace was their Profession.

[punked]

You think I advocate war? Quite the opposite actually, but unilateral disarmament doesn’t ensure peace…….For nearly 50 years, the largest operators of nuclear weapons, ensured world peace with their collective arsenals……..to paraphrase, Peace was their Profession.

No one is talking about disarmament. I just want the government to put this out to tender.

[cybercoma]

No one is talking about disarmament. I just want the government to put this out to tender.

I just want the government to stop lying to parliament and defrauding the electorate.

[punked]

I just want the government to stop lying to parliament and defrauding the electorate.

Well we wont get that from these guys. In the last pages they have lied time and time again just like the government.

[cybercoma]

You can't lie when you're being grossly misinformed by your favourite news outlets.

[Guest Derek L]

No one is talking about disarmament. I just want the government to put this out to tender.

And that brings us full circle…….there is no other option than the F-35, hence putting the contract out to tender is futile………The debate should be whether we require a fighter force centered around the F-35 or no fighter force at all……….Purchasing a 4th + generation aircraft, at the cost of billions of dollars, with the intent to operate it until the 2050s is a waste of money.

I asked this question and stated this fact numerous times when people suggest a Super Hornet like alternative:

The Australians purchased 24 Super Hornets for 6.6 billion and intend on retiring them in the mid 2020s……What would that same purchase look like in terms of cost with ~triple the order and with a longer expected service life?

[punked]

And that brings us full circle…….there is no other option than the F-35, hence putting the contract out to tender is futile………The debate should be whether we require a fighter force centered around the F-35 or no fighter force at all……….Purchasing a 4th + generation aircraft, at the cost of billions of dollars, with the intent to operate it until the 2050s is a waste of money.

I asked this question and stated this fact numerous times when people suggest a Super Hornet like alternative:

The Australians purchased 24 Super Hornets for 6.6 billion and intend on retiring them in the mid 2020s……What would that same purchase look like in terms of cost with ~triple the order and with a longer expected service life?

Yah all governments who are corrupt say putting something out to tender is a bad idea.

[Guest Derek L]

Yah all governments who are corrupt say putting something out to tender is a bad idea.

Nice dodge......So you’re suggesting, all the F-35 partner nations Governments, over the last 10-15 years, many alternating between “right-wing” and “left-wing” political parties, are all corrupt?

[waldo]

I notice the US Navy is putting out a tender for a new fighter.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/super-hornet-jsf/

bazinga! Son of Super Hornet... in case the JSF "flames out entirely"! Oh, is there a problem?

[Guest Derek L]

bazinga! Son of Super Hornet... in case the JSF "flames out entirely"! Oh, is there a problem?

And the "son of Super Hornet" is what?

[waldo]

And the "son of Super Hornet" is what?

see... U.S. Navy... looking!

[punked]

Nice dodge......So you’re suggesting, all the F-35 partner nations Governments, over the last 10-15 years, many alternating between “right-wing” and “left-wing” political parties, are all corrupt?

The US put this out to tender and had a bidding process. The Dutch haven't even committed to buying the plane, Turkey who was talking about 13 planes has cuts its order 2 and looks like it is going with the Eurofighter Typhoons. So that is what cost to half of the JSF, in the other half of the countries opposition parties just like in Canada are asking Questions.

[punked]

bazinga! Son of Super Hornet... in case the JSF "flames out entirely"! Oh, is there a problem?

I know and they just put that out last week. The more news the less good news for the other side of the argument.

Edited April 19, 2012 by punked

[Guest Derek L]

see... U.S. Navy... looking!

At the 6th generation of aircraft……..Your point?

[Guest Derek L]

The US put this out to tender and had a bidding process.

Put what out to tender?

The Dutch haven't even committed to buying the plane

Source?

Turkey who was talking about 13 planes has cuts its order 2 and looks like it is going with the Eurofighter Typhoons

Source?

So that is what cost to half of the JSF, in the other half of the countries opposition parties just like in Canada are asking Questions.

Name a JSF partner nation that has pulled out?

[Guest Derek L]

I know and they just put that out last week. The more news the less good news for the other side of the argument.

Boeing and General Dynamics (And Lockheed) have being working on the concepts of the 6th generation for years……hardly news.

[punked]

At the 6th generation of aircraft……..Your point?

Why buy these planes if in 20 years there will be UAVs that can do the same thing as them making these planes already old?

[punked]

Put what out to tender?

Source?

Source?

Name a JSF partner nation that has pulled out?

Go look it all up. The US had a bidding process the F35 won their process and requirements.

[punked]

Boeing and General Dynamics (And Lockheed) have being working on the concepts of the 6th generation for years……hardly news.

I know which is why when we said we were buying these f35s a lot of people said that if we can push it a few years this plane will be the plane of the past we will be stuck with.

[waldo]

At the 6th generation of aircraft……..Your point?

my point? My point, following up on MLW member punked's point, is that you've leaped to a most disingenuous and self-serving interpretation - "6th generation aircraft"! In actuality, the linked article speaks to the U.S. Navy "hedging" against the failure of the F-35 program. All we've ever heard from youse guys is, "if not the F-35, then what"? Apparently, the U.S. Navy would also like an answer to that question. Go figure!

[Guest Derek L]

Go look it all up. The US had a bidding process the F35 won their process and requirements.

Huh?

[Guest Derek L]

my point? My point, following up on MLW member punked's point, is that you've leaped to a most disingenuous and self-serving interpretation - "6th generation aircraft"! In actuality, the linked article speaks to the U.S. Navy "hedging" against the failure of the F-35 program. All we've ever heard from youse guys is, "if not the F-35, then what"? Apparently, the U.S. Navy would also like an answer to that question. Go figure!

Go read the article again.......