F-35 Purchase

[Guest Derek L]

Yah cause they only bought what 400 of them last year?

Huh? Are you suggesting the Americans aren’t replacing their older legacy fleet with the F-35?

[punked]

Huh? Are you suggesting the Americans aren’t replacing their older legacy fleet with the F-35?

I am not suggesting that. The actions of the US Navy are suggesting that.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/super-hornet-jsf/

[Guest Derek L]

I am not suggesting that. The actions of the US Navy are suggesting that.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/super-hornet-jsf/

And from your article:

The stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is supposed to one day make up 90 percent or more of America’s combat aviation power. But the program has been hit with all kinds of expensive technical glitches and delays. So the Navy has long hedged against the giant JSF bet by buying more of its beloved F/A-18 Super Hornet; that way, the Navy can keep flying modern fighters, even if the JSFs slip. With this “market survey,” the Navy appears to be making a second hedge: a Son of the Super Hornet — one that would come online after the F/A-18s are retired in the 2030s — just in case the JSF flames out entirely.

And:

Morley strongly denies that the Son of the Super Hornet poses a threat to the JSF or will replicate its missions. “We are an all-F-18 fleet today,” Morley tells Danger Room. “In that 2020-2030 time frame, those decades, we intend to be a Super Hornet-JSF fleet. And then those Super Hornets are going to be aging out, those earlier ones, and we need to be a JSF-and-something-else fleet.”

And what will that something else be?

6th Generation

Do you even read your links?

[punked]

And from your article:

And:

And what will that something else be?

6th Generation

Do you even read your links?

Yah it says the US Military you claim is going to rid of the Hornets in 10 years will actually be using them for 20-30 years more so your whole NORAD bs was a lie. Like the most of the stuff you guys seem to say in this thread.

[Guest Derek L]

Yah it says the US Military you claim is going to rid of the Hornets in 10 years will actually be using them for 20-30 years more so your whole NORAD bs was a lie. Like the most of the stuff you guys seem to say in this thread.

What’s 20-30 years from now? 2032-2042.……..The Super Hornets are going to start retiring in the 2020s, being replaced with the F-35 and then “something else”…….. “Something else” won’t be more Super Hornets, since Boeing is closing the production line in a few years (To say nothing of their obsolesces in that timeframe)

Our Air Force will start retiring our Hornets later this decade (when they’ll be close to 40 years old) and replacing them with the F-35, which will be serve until the late 2040s to early 2050s……..

You want us to operate a fighter aircraft into the 2050s, that can trace it’s roots back to the 1970s?

DOP, hit him with some more bi-plane videos…….

[punked]

What’s 20-30 years from now? 2032-2042.……..The Super Hornets are going to start retiring in the 2020s, being replaced with the F-35 and then “something else”…….. “Something else” won’t be more Super Hornets, since Boeing is closing the production line in a few years (To say nothing of their obsolesces in that timeframe)

Our Air Force will start retiring our Hornets later this decade (when they’ll be close to 40 years old) and replacing them with the F-35, which will be serve until the late 2040s to early 2050s……..

You want us to operate a fighter aircraft into the 2050s, that can trace it’s roots back to the 1970s?

DOP, hit him with some more bi-plane videos…….

Ohhhh noes it can't trace its roots to the 70s can it? The Ford Mustang first being made in 1965 has not made it any less of a great car in the 2012 model.

Again I am only pointing out you guys are lying to justify a plane purchase. Which seems to be ok in the Conservative party.

[DogOnPorch]

Ohhhh noes it can't trace its roots to the 70s can it? The Ford Mustang first being made in 1965 has not made it any less of a great car in the 2012 model.

Again I am only pointing out you guys are lying to justify a plane purchase. Which seems to be ok in the Conservative party.

Comparing classic cars to modern combat aircraft? So when is the Government going to replace its fleet of vehicles with 1965 Mustangs?

DOP, hit him with some more bi-plane videos…….

I'm thinking Civil War ironclads at this rate.

[Guest Derek L]

Ohhhh noes it can't trace its roots to the 70s can it? The Ford Mustang first being made in 1965 has not made it any less of a great car in the 2012 model.

Again I am only pointing out you guys are lying to justify a plane purchase. Which seems to be ok in the Conservative party.

Are you comparing a fighter aircraft to a car?

And you’re calling me dishonest………The Super Hornets will stop being produced in a few years, the Americans will be retiring Super Hornets being built today in the early 2030s, (they already have Super Hornets in the bone yard right now) and the aircraft we purchase will fully replace our Hornets by the early 2020s and then itself be retired in the 2050s………..

[punked]

Comparing classic cars to modern combat aircraft? So when is the Government going to replace its fleet of vehicles with 1965 Mustangs?

I'm thinking Civil War ironclads at this rate.

I was talking about how a 2012 Mustang isn't anything like a 1965 Mustang even though that is where it started. Much like the Super Hornet isn't much like a Hornet.

[DogOnPorch]

Here we go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ABzaEHQ4Hg

Those Parrott cannons are the cat's meow.

[punked]

Are you comparing a fighter aircraft to a car?

And you’re calling me dishonest………The Super Hornets will stop being produced in a few years, the Americans will be retiring Super Hornets being built today in the early 2030s, (they already have Super Hornets in the bone yard right now) and the aircraft we purchase will fully replace our Hornets by the early 2020s and then itself be retired in the 2050s………..

Again I was pointing out the lie that the Super Hornets will be gone in 10 years they wont. I was pointing out the lie the only plane the US will use in 10 years will be a F35 it wont. Also the lie with out buying a F35 we will kicked out of NORAD. We wont.

You can attack me for pointing out your lies. Doesn't make your lies true. Much like attacking the AG didn't make their lies true.

Edited April 19, 2012 by punked

[Guest Derek L]

I was talking about how a 2012 Mustang isn't anything like a 1965 Mustang even though that is where it started. Much like the Super Hornet isn't much like a Hornet.

Complete applies and oranges the Super Hornet is a result of squeezing the remaining growth potential out of 20 year old design after the cancellation of the A-12.

I’ll ask you Punked, why don’t the Americans, or other JSF partners, keep purchasing the “new model year” Super Hornets for infinite?

[punked]

Complete applies and oranges the Super Hornet is a result of squeezing the remaining growth potential out of 20 year old design after the cancellation of the A-12.

I’ll ask you Punked, why don’t the Americans, or other JSF partners, keep purchasing the “new model year” Super Hornets for infinite?

I'll ask you, why is the Navy putting out a bid for new Aircraft of the F35 is the only option?

[DogOnPorch]

I'll ask you, why is the Navy putting out a bid for new Aircraft of the F35 is the only option?

Eh?

[Guest Derek L]

Again I was pointing out the lie that the Super Hornets will be gone in 10 years they wont. I was pointing out the lie the only plane the US will use in 10 years will be a F35 it wont. Also the lie with out buying a F35 we will kicked out of NORAD. We wont.

You can attack me for pointing out your lies. Doesn't make your lies true. Much like attacking the AG didn't make their lies true.

I never said ten years from now......I said they'll start being retired (in larger numbers then they already are) next decade......

You’ve yet to demonstrate “a lie”, or acknowledge what aircraft(s) will be replacing them once they retire.

[punked]

I never said ten years from now......I said they'll start being retired (in larger numbers then they already are) next decade......

You’ve yet to demonstrate “a lie”, or acknowledge what aircraft(s) will be replacing them once they retire.

So we agree the F35 is not the "only" fighter plane that will meet our commitments to NORAD for the next 30 years at least. With the budget crunch the US is facing over the next decade it might be the next 50 years.

[DogOnPorch]

I never said ten years from now......I said they'll start being retired (in larger numbers then they already are) next decade......

You’ve yet to demonstrate “a lie”, or acknowledge what aircraft(s) will be replacing them once they retire.

As well, a US F-18 takes a much greater beating than their Canadian couterparts (some make over 300 traps per year). They can wear out a Super Hornet fast enough to justify continued production.

[punked]

As well, a US F-18 takes a much greater beating than their Canadian couterparts (some make over 300 traps per year). They can wear out a Super Hornet fast enough to justify continued production.

Which must be why the Navy is asking for candidates for a new strike fighter aircraft.

[Guest Derek L]

I'll ask you, why is the Navy putting out a bid for new Aircraft of the F35 is the only option?

What new bid? The US military orders aircraft (and equipment in general) over a sustained period as opposed to one large block order like Canada…….And they retire said equipment more rapidly as opposed to operating long past it’s best before date like Canada………The USN purchasing Super Hornets today is attributed to them replacing Hornet (C versions) delivered in the early 90s……..

[DogOnPorch]

So we agree the F35 is not the "only" fighter plane that will meet our commitments to NORAD for the next 30 years at least. With the budget crunch the US is facing over the next decade it might be the next 50 years.

Curious. Can you detail the events of June 1982 (famous in aviation) for Derek and I plus the lessons learned?

[Guest Derek L]

So we agree the F35 is not the "only" fighter plane that will meet our commitments to NORAD for the next 30 years at least. With the budget crunch the US is facing over the next decade it might be the next 50 years.

We don't agree on anything......By the time we start retiring our 5th Generation F-35s in the 2050s, the Americans will already be delivering the 7th generation, replacing both the 5th & 6th generation aircraft in their inventories………

[punked]

Curious. Can you detail the events of June 1982 (famous in aviation) for Derek and I plus the lessons learned?

Curious. Can you name who team B was and why they are famous for trumping up Military intelligence to get more spending in military budgets and the lessons learned?

[DogOnPorch]

Curious. Can you name who team B was and why they are famous for trumping up Military intelligence to get more spending in military budgets and the lessons learned?

So that's a "no", I gather?

[punked]

So that's a "no", I gather?

So I guess you are saying no to my question then?

[Guest Derek L]

Curious. Can you name who team B was and why they are famous for trumping up Military intelligence to get more spending in military budgets and the lessons learned?

Curious. Can you state the reason the Russians and Chinese are also developing 5th generation aircraft?