Guest Derek L Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Read your history, commercial expansion leads to a military capability to protect your interests. The Chinese know this very well from their own experience during the concession days. All the 19th century colonial military intervention in China was a result of Western countries protecting and advancing their commercial interests. They had no interest in actually conquering and occupying the place. Rightly or wrongly, Americans have often been criticized for this. Why would you expect China to be different? Exactly, and why would the Chinese be setting up military bases in the Indian Ocean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 NORAD requires us to contribute to the continental defence of North America......so yeah. That is a pretty broad definition bet we could do this a number of ways. Again you are making claims you can't back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Both NORAD and NATO require Canada to pony-up some gear. I'm shocked you think it is for free. Again that does not mean the f35 Edited April 19, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Again that does not mean the f35 Right...Sopwith Camel, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Shows the mind set going on. He thought it was free of charge. Why those nice Americans... You clearly don't understand English. No where did I say that. So please produce the document that says "You buy the f35 of you are out of NATO and NORAD". I know it is easy to knock down that straw man you just made up but that isn't what we are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 You clearly don't understand English. No where did I say that. So please produce the document that says "You buy the f35 of you are out of NATO and NORAD". I know it is easy to knock down that straw man you just made up but that isn't what we are talking about. Just come out and say: we don't need a military. It's honest and I'll believe THAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 That is a pretty broad definition bet we could do this a number of ways. Again you are making claims you can't back up. Sure I can.....Post 9/11, I spent several months working on NORAD’s new mandate to include the defence of maritime approaches to North America………What do you want backed up? That we require a military, including fighter aircraft, that are able to integrate with the Americans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Sure I can.....Post 9/11, I spent several months working on NORAD’s new mandate to include the defence of maritime approaches to North America………What do you want backed up? That we require a military, including fighter aircraft, that are able to integrate with the Americans? So we don't need an F35 we need a fighter plane that are able to integrate with the Americans? Great now we know you are Fibbing. Unless you are claiming there is only one fighter plane that can integrate with the Americans. Is that your claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Just come out and say: we don't need a military. It's honest and I'll believe THAT. Just come out and say it: Every penny anyone in Canada earns should go to the military. It's honest and I'll believe THAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Just come out and say it: Every penny anyone in Canada earns should go to the military. It's honest and I'll believe THAT. Seeing that you think it is opposite day, that's pretty much as close to a confession re: NO MILITARY NEEDED as I'm going to get, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) So we don't need an F35 we need a fighter plane that are able to integrate with the Americans? Great now we know you are Fibbing. Unless you are claiming there is only one fighter plane that can integrate with the Americans. Is that your claim? Not what I claim, what I know.......The Americans will be retiring their Super Hornets and Eagles next decade, replacing them with the F-35.......Canada will be operating the F-35 until the 2040s to 2050s.......soooooo Edited April 19, 2012 by Derek L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 So we don't need an F35 we need a fighter plane that are able to integrate with the Americans? Great now we know you are Fibbing. Unless you are claiming there is only one fighter plane that can integrate with the Americans. Is that your claim? What aircraft did you have in mind? Note: the Camel doesn't have mid-air refueling capabilities other than tossing a Jerry can between aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Not what a claim, what I know.......The Americans will be retiring their Super Hornets and Eagles next decade, replacing them with the F-35.......Canada will be operating the F-35 until the 2040s to 2050s.......soooooo Again show me where the US says buy the F35 or we will kick you out of NORAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 What aircraft did you have in mind? Note: the Camel doesn't have mid-air refueling capabilities other than tossing a Jerry can between aircraft. How about our government go through a tender process and I will look at all the documentation that supports what plane our country should buy. How about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Again show me where the US says buy the F35 or we will kick you out of NORAD NORAD The Canadian NORAD Region (CANR) is headquartered with the 1 Canadian Air Division in Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANR executes a variety of tasks to defend Canadian airspace, including identifying and tracking all aircraft entering Canadian airspace, exercising operational command and control of all air defense forces in CANR and operations in support of other government departments and agencies. The 1 Canadian Air Division is responsible for providing CANR with combat-ready air forces to meet Canada’s commitment to the defense of North America and maintain the sovereignty of North American airspace. CANR CF-18 Hornet fighter aircraft are on continuous alert to respond to any potential aerial threat to the safety of Canada and Canadians. Ergo when an aircraft type is no longer combat capable, we’re not maintaining our defence commitments to NORAD…….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Seeing that you think it is opposite day, that's pretty much as close to a confession re: NO MILITARY NEEDED as I'm going to get, eh? Is it? Is saying we should put thought and planning into our military purchases really saying I don't want a Military? I think what I am really saying is in a time of Healthcare and Education cut backs across the country we should be looking at all government spending for some sort of savings. I think that is a very Conservatives statement, stop being a socialist for a second and look at what I am saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 How about our government go through a tender process and I will look at all the documentation that supports what plane our country should buy. How about that. Oh...so you'll have an idea when you've heard/seen a few ideas. Good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 NORAD Ergo when an aircraft type is no longer combat capable, we’re not maintaining our defence commitments to NORAD…….. And then it goes on to say how the Hornets and Super Hornets meet that need. Sooo......nothing about the F35 thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Is it? Is saying we should put thought and planning into our military purchases really saying I don't want a Military? I think what I am really saying is in a time of Healthcare and Education cut backs across the country we should be looking at all government spending for some sort of savings. I think that is a very Conservatives statement, stop being a socialist for a second and look at what I am saying. But that's the problem. You don't know an F-4 from an F-15 but are gonna do the choosing...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Oh...so you'll have an idea when you've heard/seen a few ideas. Good idea. I'll understand the problem better when our government does their job. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) But that's the problem. You don't know an F-4 from an F-15 but are gonna do the choosing...lol. So now only experts in a field can speak to what money is good money to spend. Be careful what you are saying there. Edited April 19, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 So now only experts in a field can speak to what money is good money to spend. Be careful what you are saying there. On aircraft I most certainly hope experts on aviation...military aviation in particular...are doing the choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 And then it goes on to say how the Hornets and Super Hornets meet that need. Sooo......nothing about the F35 thanks. Today they do, but not once the Americans retire theirs, to be replaced with the F-35.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 On aircraft I most certainly hope experts on aviation...military aviation in particular...are doing the choosing. Give me a break that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is if the government does not justify their purchases then Canadians have a right to be against those purchases. As of right now all we have got from the government on this one is a bunch of lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Today they do, but not once the Americans retire theirs, to be replaced with the F-35.... Yah cause they only bought what 400 of them last year? I notice the US Navy is putting out a tender for a new fighter. Hmmmmm. Makes you wonder. Also this article says the US wont retire all the Super Hornets until the mid 2030s that is more then 25 years away. So this only makes me believe you guys don't know anything you are talking about. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/super-hornet-jsf/ Edited April 19, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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