cybercoma Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 When they say outside sourse ,don't tell me that was not a shot at the cons. That is all the NDP have been screaming about the last month,the evil cons. I justy listen to the new leader, someone should remind him that the majority of the manufactoring job losses was not harper but dalton. And he should also be reminded if he was PM the rest of the manufactoring jobs would be gone. When they said "outside source" they meant just that. Someone that was not a member of the NDP with access to the voting platform. They said that because they wanted to be clear that the voting itself had not been tampered with. What I find curious is why you assume it was a shot at the Conservatives. Sounds like you believe in the back of your mind that the Conservatives would do something like that because I didn't once think that's what they meant and I watched the entire broadcast. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 French is not a race. Race originally meant bloodlines, not necessarily the physical appearance of a person. Bloodlines, sometime around the eighteenth century, were tied to geography and subsequently physical appearance. Granted, it's commonly used today to mean skin colour; however, the original definition could have been used in the way it was used here to describe the French race. Quote
Argus Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 I hope he is a hot head...The opposition in this country has been weak and fearful of the Harper Government for too long.It's time the opposition found it's "inner asshole" and embraced it because we are dealing a whole bunch of them currently occupying the government benches... Nice guys finish last... But wait! All those characteristics the press is ascribing to Mulcair; his tough ass attitude, his ruthlessness, his win-at-any cost mentality - those are the things the Left has been so horrified by in Harper. Surely you're not suggesting they could embrace such behaviour just because the person exhibiting it was on the Left.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) But wait! All those characteristics the press is ascribing to Mulcair; his tough ass attitude, his ruthlessness, his win-at-any cost mentality - those are the things the Left has been so horrified by in Harper. Surely you're not suggesting they could embrace such behaviour just because the person exhibiting it was on the Left.... I'm not only sugesting it...They had better embrace it because being a wimp like Mr. Dion and Mr. Ignatieff will get you torn to shreds... Punch the bully in the mouth until his teeth are no longer connected to his jaws...Fight fire with fire... Edited March 26, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Argus Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 I'm not only sugesting it...They had better embrace it because being a wimp like Mr. Dion and Mr. Ignatieff will get you torn to shreds... Punch the bully in the mouth until his teeth are no longer connected to his jaws...Fight fire with fire... So you don't like bullies... unless they're YOUR bully. Then it's okay? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 So you don't like bullies... unless they're YOUR bully. Then it's okay? How would you attack a known bully?? Be a wilting flower,like Dion or Ignatieff...Or punch him in the mouth? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 3 D Deano "The Car Salesman" Del Mastro is going after him right now... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Argus Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 How would you attack a known bully?? Be a wilting flower,like Dion or Ignatieff...Or punch him in the mouth? You miss my point. You call Harper a 'bully' because of his attitude, his ruthlessness, his win at any cost mentality. Well, Mulcair is, according to the press, exactly the same sort of person. Why is he not a bully too? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 You miss my point. You call Harper a 'bully' because of his attitude, his ruthlessness, his win at any cost mentality. Well, Mulcair is, according to the press, exactly the same sort of person. Why is he not a bully too? I think he probably is...He seems to have the personality to go after the Conservatives and Mr. Harper... It's about time...Does'nt bother me at all... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Evening Star Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) Race originally meant bloodlines, not necessarily the physical appearance of a person. Bloodlines, sometime around the eighteenth century, were tied to geography and subsequently physical appearance. Granted, it's commonly used today to mean skin colour; however, the original definition could have been used in the way it was used here to describe the French race. You guys realize that Mulcair's family background is as Irish-Canadian as the name "Thomas Mulcair" would suggest, right? He only acquired French citizenship because his wife is French. Edit: OK, I checked Wikipedia. His Mum is French Canadian and his Dad is Irish-Canadian. Still wouldn't call him a Frenchman. Edited March 26, 2012 by Evening Star Quote
jbg Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 I think Layton wanted to die a martyr.I don't know what you mean. I think he knew he was going to die before the election and saw this as his last opportunity to put the NDP as high as he could and inspire Canadians nationwide .. hence his letter to CanadiansThe election was May 2 or 3 (I forget which). He died, I believe, in September.Some of your posts are bizarre. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted March 26, 2012 Report Posted March 26, 2012 I think he probably is...He seems to have the personality to go after the Conservatives and Mr. Harper... It's about time...Does'nt bother me at all... Ok. Just wanted to get that clear. All those characteristics make you a bad person if you're a Conservative, but a wonderful person if you're an NDPer. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CPCFTW Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 Thanks for your points, here. So it would seem the "lower taxes and they'll stay!" fantasy can be put to inglorious rest now. Yes we can put it to rest because madmax from mapleleafweb says so... Quote
CPCFTW Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) But it's moot; as we've pointed out, they'll still leave. Again: why wouldn't they leave? Patriotism? This was pointed out? You mean by Madmax's anecdotes? Forgive me for not accepting this as gospel. I would think that some companies might still leave while others might want to stay in an environment with 0% corporate taxes and a low regulatory burden. I don't pretend to speak for all companies. Edited March 27, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Vineon Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) You guys realize that Mulcair's family background is as Irish-Canadian as the name "Thomas Mulcair" would suggest, right? He only acquired French citizenship because his wife is French. Edit: OK, I checked Wikipedia. His Mum is French Canadian and his Dad is Irish-Canadian. Still wouldn't call him a Frenchman. Mulcair's got a pretty noticeable English accent when speaking French; it amuses me to see so many folks here brand him a "Frenchman". I suppose some of them must be looking for an additional reason to doubt his integrity, the "French" and "Quebec" labels making him automaticly suspect. Edited March 27, 2012 by Vineon Quote
August1991 Posted March 27, 2012 Author Report Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Mulcair is largely a mystery to most Canadians.But Mulcair's not a mystery to Quebecers.Argus, we are a country with different regions, and different languages. Mystery? Canadians don't all live in Toronto, or Ottawa. Will Mulcair bring rationality to the NDP as we see from some of the social democratic parties in Europe, particularly northern Europe?Median voters will now be forced to choose - in such a country where regional politics matter most.As John Lennon said, imagine. Edited March 27, 2012 by August1991 Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 From my own experience with cancer in my family (father died during 1973, mother probably terminal now) he would have known. From my own experience with cancer (none of your business), he would have not been willing to give up and just lie down and die. But way to exploit your "personal" experience with cancer to take a CPC-shill potshot. <thumbs up> Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
August1991 Posted March 27, 2012 Author Report Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Mulcair's got a pretty noticeable English accent when speaking French; it amuses me to see so many folks here brand him a "Frenchman".I agree. He was born in Ottawa and he studied at an English Cegep (Vanier) and then McGill Law. But his mother was French-speaking.Indeed, that's a point that Le Devoir has noted. Mulcair's siblings now live "abroad" (in Ontario) and no longer speak French despite their mother tongue. In English Canada, the National Post notes that Mulcair is a French (from France) citizen - admittedly through marriage. Such is Canada, and its 21st century politics. Edited March 27, 2012 by August1991 Quote
stopstaaron Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 As bizarre statements go, this one takes the cake. he went through the election probably knowing his cancer was back. I think it took everything out of him. Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Evening Star Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 You miss my point. You call Harper a 'bully' because of his attitude, his ruthlessness, his win at any cost mentality. Well, Mulcair is, according to the press, exactly the same sort of person. Why is he not a bully too? I would never call Harper a bully. An angry, calculating nerd, maybe. Quote
August1991 Posted March 27, 2012 Author Report Posted March 27, 2012 On the floor the word was that Nathan Cullen brought his vote over to Mulcair and not Topp(final ballot) because Mulcairs support in the west is strong!Another privilage from being on the floor! Aswell Mulcair is the real deal!In our brief meeting he showed me that he has compassion and sincerety!And to add my collegues where all in his camp(and dragged me there too) and I will not dismiss the knowledge of my seniors! This is the key question for the NDP: Can the Leftist West accept Mulcair?If so, Ontario's "middle" will agree too. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 This is the key question for the NDP: Can the Leftist West accept Mulcair? If so, Ontario's "middle" will agree too. Mulcair needs to get Cullen heavily involved in his shadow cabinet and inner-circle to accomplish this, imo. He's the guy to bring the West on-board. One thing we're forgetting is the Atlantic provinces. Mulcair was the only one that had a strategy for the provinces east of Quebec. Hopefully, the NDP can make some significant gains out here by building on the success of the NS provincial government. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 Ok. Just wanted to get that clear. All those characteristics make you a bad person if you're a Conservative, but a wonderful person if you're an NDPer. I would prefer something different but the Harper Government seems to play character assassination games right off the bat... So,one must fight fire with fire... Or would you prefer the weak knee'd opposition the Dion and Ignatieff Liberals offered? Or is this one of YOUR standard self important moments where you think you've caught someone in some form of hypocrisy? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Argus Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 I would prefer something different but the Harper Government seems to play character assassination games right off the bat.. I understand your shock and disappointment since no government prior to theirs has ever engaged in such behaviour. Why, Jean Chretien was the gentlest and most polite of leaders who never even suggested anyone on the other side of the bench might be in some way inferior. And Paul Martin, despite his tendency to spit in people's faces, was a gentlemen of the finest sort. So,one must fight fire with fire... Must one really? It seems to me that you fight fire with water. It also seems to me that weaseling around the fact that a character behaviour you express contempt for is okay on your side is damned hypocritical. Or is this one of YOUR standard self important moments where you think you've caught someone in some form of hypocrisy? Getting off an unimaginative shot at me in resentment that your hypocrisy (which you clearly recognize) is being pointed out scores you no points here. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jack Weber Posted March 27, 2012 Report Posted March 27, 2012 I understand your shock and disappointment since no government prior to theirs has ever engaged in such behaviour. Why, Jean Chretien was the gentlest and most polite of leaders who never even suggested anyone on the other side of the bench might be in some way inferior. And Paul Martin, despite his tendency to spit in people's faces, was a gentlemen of the finest sort. Must one really? It seems to me that you fight fire with water. It also seems to me that weaseling around the fact that a character behaviour you express contempt for is okay on your side is damned hypocritical. Getting off an unimaginative shot at me in resentment that your hypocrisy (which you clearly recognize) is being pointed out scores you no points here. I'm glad you seem to think that I think that only Mr.Harper is a bully... With your obvious powers of recall,I'm sure you'll be able to point this out to me...By the way,thanks for the history lesson...I would'nt have known any of that without your unquestioned superior intelligence... It's always reassuring a submission to authority type,such as yourself,thinks I'm a "weasel"...By the way,define my "side",if you please... And I could'nt care less if I score any points with with an obvious intellectual Leviathan,such as yourself... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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