Bryan Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 What was it the Conservatives ran on other than Ignatieff "he's not coming back for you" attack ads, the economy right? they better fix their f*** ups then, they created this mess What did they run on? • The omnibus crime bill: passed. • Eliminate the wheat board monopoly: done. • Eliminate the long gun registry: done. • Eliminate per-vote Political party subsidies: done Mess? Best managed economy in the world. Best management of the economy during a recession in Canadian history. Yes, they did create that. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 What did they run on? • The omnibus crime bill: passed. • Eliminate the wheat board monopoly: done. • Eliminate the long gun registry: done. • Eliminate per-vote Political party subsidies: done Mess? Best managed economy in the world. Best management of the economy during a recession in Canadian history. Yes, they did create that. Attack consumer rights - In progress Attack privacy - In progress Favour corporate interests over Canadian worker interests - Ongoing Favour big business subsidies over grass roots investment - Ongoing You have to look at the entire picture. If you simply define good management as supporting corporations and sticking it to workers and consumers, then yes, they have done an excellent job at that. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
PIK Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Attack consumer rights - In progress Attack privacy - In progress Favour corporate interests over Canadian worker interests - Ongoing Favour big business subsidies over grass roots investment - Ongoing You have to look at the entire picture. If you simply define good management as supporting corporations and sticking it to workers and consumers, then yes, they have done an excellent job at that. There should be zero corporate taxes, all they do is the raise the price. Look at Ireland, can't keep up with the companies that want to move there. Corp is what makes jobs, I don't understand why the left can't fathom that. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CPCFTW Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) There should be zero corporate taxes, all they do is the raise the price. Look at Ireland, can't keep up with the companies that want to move there. Corp is what makes jobs, I don't understand why the left can't fathom that. This. Private enterprise provides all revenue to governments anyway by employing private workers. Public sector workers contribute nothing. You could cut the pay of public workers to their current after tax income, then exempt them from income taxes, and there would be no effect on government income. Taxing public employees is a trick to blind people to the fact that they contribute nothing (other than our "services"). Let's say there are 10 private workers who make 1mil combined. Govt taxes them 30% and has 300k revenue. Govt hires 10 public workers for 30k each (21k after tax). Govt taxes them 30% and has 90k more revenue. Govt hires 3 more public workers for 30k. Etc. At the end you have 14.2 public workers. Or Let's say there are 10 private workers who make 1mil combined. Govt taxes them 30% and has 300k revenue. Govt hires 14.2 public workers who are exempt from income taxes at 21k. Conclusion: All of our "public services" come from private sector employment income taxes. The reason corporate taxes are stupid is because, first of all they contribute relatively little to government revenue, and they prompt the following possible responses from corporations: 1. Raise prices to a level which will generate a sufficient return for investors so that the company can continue to raise capital. 2. Move jobs to a location which will generate better after tax income. Edited March 13, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Battletoads Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 There should be zero corporate taxes, all they do is the raise the price. Look at Ireland, can't keep up with the companies that want to move there. Corp is what makes jobs, I don't understand why the left can't fathom that. What a load of shit. Unemployment in Ireland is almost double that of Canada, and the country's economy is in tatters. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Jack Weber Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 There should be zero corporate taxes, all they do is the raise the price. Look at Ireland, can't keep up with the companies that want to move there. Corp is what makes jobs, I don't understand why the left can't fathom that. Let me get this straight.. You want certain business entities to pay zero (0) taxes... These same entities that are not only holding billions in cash reserves,but employ fewer and fewer people,for less and less time,for increasingly less and less pay... Do I have that right? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
mentalfloss Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Mess? Best managed economy in the world. Best management of the economy during a recession in Canadian history. Yes, they did create that. These are just puff points from the CPC spokesholes. The truth is that our economy has been on the decline and Flaherty missed his budget projections. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 There should be zero corporate taxes, all they do is the raise the price. Look at Ireland, can't keep up with the companies that want to move there. Corp is what makes jobs, I don't understand why the left can't fathom that. Yes. Let's create a business instrument that has zero liability above and beyond dissolution of the company... and on top of that give them 0% taxes. You want to see the truth of it? They set up a tiny office, employ 10-20 people and call it their head office for tax reasons only. The gain is extremely small. Ireland is also in the crapshoot economically, my brother-in-law just left the country, mostly because of its state of affairs. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
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