Fantino accused of of having 3 bank accounts

[olpfan1]

I was told to make a new thread for this because it's different than the robocall

Let's see to summarize the article Fantino is in deep doggy doo doo

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1144178--elections-canada-urged-to-investigate-fantino?bn=1

Three former members of Vaughan’s Conservative riding association have asked Elections Canada to investigate the campaign finances of Tory MP Julian Fantino.

In sworn affidavits filed with Elections Canada, Richard Lorello, Tracey Kent and Carrie Liddy allege that there were irregularities in Fantino’s 2010 by-election and 2011 election campaigns.

The three former riding association members allege that Fantino’s fundraising chair, Sam Ciccolini, said at a January 2011 meeting that there was a second bank account belonging to the campaign that contained more than $300,000.

It is against election rules to have more than one campaign bank account.

A spokesman for Fantino dismissed any idea of wrongdoing.

“Any information suggesting the existence of a second election bank account is incorrect,” spokesman Chris McCluskey said in an email.

Lorello, who was director of the association when the January meeting took place, alleges that Ciccolini wanted to turn the account into a riding association account without following election rules.

“This seemed highly irregular to us,” said Lorello, “because the account had not been audited by Elections Canada.” Lorello claimed the board members never even knew the account existed.

“What I want is transparency into this account, he said. “Elections Canada rules are supposed to make financing transparent. This is not transparent.”

The group also claims there is a third account — neither a campaign account nor a riding association account — that they know little about.

“How much money was put in the third account, when, by who, and how was the money spent?” said Liddy, a Vaughan resident and onetime supporter of former Vaughan mayor Linda Jackson. “We want answers.”

Last May, Fantino handily won his Vaughan riding, after winning the seat for the Conservative in a by-election just six months earlier. The former Toronto police chief used a get tough on crime platform to defeat Liberal Mario Ferri.

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[olpfan1]

BREAKING BAD SPOILER ALERT, DON'T READ IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THE SHOW

This reminds me of Breaking Bad where Walter White is caught in a lie by his wife about a second cellphone and it all goes down hill there.. similar story here, Fantino caught in a lie about having a second bank account.. possibly a third and it's only going to go down hill for him here

Edited March 10, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

Here is some more information

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/09/pol-fantino-election.html

Raised almost $500,000

Fantino raised an impressive amount of money from Conservative supporters for the November 2010 byelection: almost $500,000, so much that there was a surplus.

The three former officials allege that Sam Ciccolini, Fantino's fundraising chair, said at a meeting that there was a second bank account that contained more than $300,000.

Lorello, who was then a board director of the Vaughan Conservative Electoral Association, had never heard of this money. He immediately resigned.

The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared. It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything.

Elections Canada won't say whether it's investigating.

[olpfan1]

This is from a year a go

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/04/12/fantino-riding-association-resignations.html

Two Conservatives have quit their own riding association in Vaughan north of Toronto, accusing incumbent candidate Julian Fantino and the Conservative government of handing $10 million in public funds to a private non-profit group involved in a major health-care development.

Richard Lorello, the local Conservative candidate in 2008, says he resigned because a federal grant, announced in March just before the election was called, is earmarked for the Vaughan Health Campus of Care (VHCC), which has two of Fantino's fundraisers as prime backers.

"The optics look really rather strange," said Lorello, "that the same people who helped Fantino are the same people [whose non-profit group is] receiving $10 million in government funds."

[cybercoma]

How bad does it need to get? I don't even think Stephen Harper himself getting arrested would make some people take notice.

[Wild Bill]

How bad does it need to get? I don't even think Stephen Harper himself getting arrested would make some people take notice.

God help me if I'm defending Fantino, after what he did in Caledonia!

Still, from the very quotes in this thread:

"The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared. It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything."

IT COULD ALL BE PERFECTLY LEGAL??!! What kind of crap is this?

Someone did something but it could all have been ok. Still, maybe it wasn't! So they're evil!

And if it turns out it was all legal there won't even be an "oopsy" mentioned.

This is unbelievable! At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, this is worthy of Goebbels.

[Bryan]

Bill, this is the entirely of the opposition tactics at this point, just keep throwing out over the top unfounded allegations, and keep screaming louder and louder. Doesn't matter how many times they get caught lying, they just keep saying the same things over and over. No wonder no one is listening to them.

[Shakeyhands]

Bill, this is the entirely of the opposition tactics at this point, just keep throwing out over the top unfounded allegations, and keep screaming louder and louder. Doesn't matter how many times they get caught lying, they just keep saying the same things over and over. No wonder no one is listening to them.

Dean? Is that you?

[olpfan1]

God help me if I'm defending Fantino, after what he did in Caledonia!

Still, from the very quotes in this thread:

"The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared. It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything."

IT COULD ALL BE PERFECTLY LEGAL??!! What kind of crap is this?

Someone did something but it could all have been ok. Still, maybe it wasn't! So they're evil!

And if it turns out it was all legal there won't even be an "oopsy" mentioned.

This is unbelievable! At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, this is worthy of Goebbels.

Bill, it says having more than one bank account for the election is against an Elections Canada law

people from the inside says he at least had 2'!

way to pick and choose what you read man

Edited March 10, 2012 by olpfan1

[Topaz]

Bill, it says having more than one bank account for the election is against an Elections Canada law

people from the inside says he at least had 2'!

way to pick and choose what you read man

So how will the former POLICE CHIEF, Commissioner get out of this.... well, I'm sorry, I'm new to this and I didn't KNOW and I promise not to get caught, I mean, not to do it again! That how this aprty works, they do what they want and then say they are sorry and won't do it again or make sure it doesn't happen again, they are one very corrupt party.

[Wild Bill]

Bill, it says having more than one bank account for the election is against an Elections Canada law

people from the inside says he at least had 2'!

way to pick and choose what you read man

People "from the inside" could be lying or mistaken! Who says they are infallible?

Why the hell do you think we hold investigations, anyway?

To hear you talk, any accusation is as good as proof of guilt, where the Tories are concerned!

I happen to despise Fantino but Man, you are a veritable Hanging Judge! You never seem to have any concept of justice whatsoever to people not of your own political persuasion!

[Argus]

How bad does it need to get? I don't even think Stephen Harper himself getting arrested would make some people take notice.

LOL. Look, If I actually wrote what I think of Fantino here I'd probably be suspended again. I actually donated money to the Liberal candidate on-line, even though I loath the Liberals (and I am still being subjected to emails and letters from the Liberal Party thinking I'm one of them). That should give you some idea of what I think of Fantino. That this man was ever promoted is a disgrace to policing, and that they recruited him into the party is a disgrace to the Conservatives. Even so, there hasn't even been sufficient evidence to provoke an investigation yet, and here you are already basically having convicted not just him but the Conservative Party.

That's not to say I don't HOPE they find and can prove every conceivable manner of corruption and criminality surrounding him, and that the Conservative party isn't tarred because of - as they richly deserve for having recruited a man with such a notorious lack of ethics, values and morality.

[Michael Hardner]

LOL. Look, If I actually wrote what I think of Fantino here I'd probably be suspended again

I remember your extreme comments from that time, and although you were apparently suspended for them at least I can see that your views are principled at the core. Fantino seems to rouse a startling amount of animosity, even among Conservatives.

[TwoDucks]

God help me if I'm defending Fantino, after what he did in Caledonia!

Still, from the very quotes in this thread:

"The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared. It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything."

IT COULD ALL BE PERFECTLY LEGAL??!! What kind of crap is this?

Someone did something but it could all have been ok. Still, maybe it wasn't! So they're evil!

And if it turns out it was all legal there won't even be an "oopsy" mentioned.

This is unbelievable! At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, this is worthy of Goebbels.

The problem is this part "The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared." seems to go against this part "It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything." To spell it out, the question is not whether or not transferring money to other candidates is legal or not. It is, so long as it's declared. The problem is that there are allegations he's done it without declaring it. Sorry to burst your self-righteousness bubble, there.

[punked]

There needs to be more to this then he had two bank accounts. That is a stupid law that no one will care about. So where is the meat why two bank accounts?

[Wild Bill]

The problem is this part "The allegations also suggest that nine Conservative candidates in the last election got money from the Fantino campaign, all perfectly legal if it's filtered through the electoral association or the party, and it's declared." seems to go against this part "It's not known who those candidates were, or if they received anything." To spell it out, the question is not whether or not transferring money to other candidates is legal or not. It is, so long as it's declared. The problem is that there are allegations he's done it without declaring it. Sorry to burst your self-righteousness bubble, there.

As you yourself said, "allegations". My dispute was with Olpfan1, who apparently considers allegations to be gospel if they are against Tories.

Self-righteous? In what way? I would consider even Olpfan1 innocent until proven guilty! Truth to tell, I would find that easier than doing it now with Fantino, who as I said, I despise!

As I have said before, "The Holy Words are for not just the Yangs but the Comms as well! They are for EVERY ONE or they mean NOTHING! Do you understand, Cloud William?"

Edited March 10, 2012 by Wild Bill

[Jack Weber]

Dean? Is that you?

The poster you quoted admits to paying them to spew their talking points...

[Tilter]

I have 3 different bank accounts-------- is this somehow illegal?

[Tilter]

As you yourself said, "allegations". My dispute was with Olpfan1, who apparently considers allegations to be gospel if they are against Tories.

Self-righteous? In what way? I would consider even Olpfan1 innocent until proven guilty! Truth to tell, I would find that easier than doing it now with Fantino, who as I said, I despise!

As I have said before, "The Holy Words are for not just the Yangs but the Comms as well! They are for EVERY ONE or they mean NOTHING! Do you understand, Cloud William?"

I would consider even Olpfan1 innocent until proven guilty!

No--- he's guilty even if it's for being a card-carrying NDPEER

[olpfan1]

I don't belong to any party

[MACKER]

I have 3 different bank accounts-------- is this somehow illegal?

If you were using them in an election and not reporting them it is.

The candidate’s campaign must open a bank account in the name of the candidate’s campaign. All contributions to the candidate's campaign must be deposited into this account and all campaign expenses must be paid from this account.

It is not acceptable to use the association's bank account to deposit contributions, nor pay expenses incurred by the candidate's campaign.

http://www.elections.ca/pol/can/ban_e.pdf

Section 437 of the Canada Elections Act

437. (1) An official agent of a candidate shall open, for the sole purpose of the candidate's electoral

campaign, a separate bank account in a Canadian financial institution as defined in section 2 of the

Bank Act, or in an authorized foreign bank as defined in that section, that is not subject to the

restrictions and requirements referred to in subsection 524(2) of that Act.

Account holder name

(2) The account must name the account holder as follows: "(name of official agent), official agent".

Payments and receipts

(3) All financial transactions of the candidate in relation to an electoral campaign that involve the

payment or receipt of money are to be paid from or deposited to the account.

Closure of bank account

(4) After the election or the withdrawal or death of the candidate, the official agent of a candidate

shall close the account once any unpaid claim or surplus of electoral funds has been dealt with in

accordance with this Act.

Final statement of bank account

(5) The official agent shall, on closing the account, provide the Chief Electoral Officer with the final

statement of the account.

S.C. 2003, c. 19, s. 41.

prohibition — accepting contributions

(2) No person, other than an official agent of a candidate, shall accept contributions to the candidate’s electoral campaign.

Marginal note:Prohibition — issuing tax receipts

(3) No person, other than an official agent of a candidate, shall provide official receipts to contributors of monetary contributions to a candidate for the purpose of subsection 127(3) of the Income Tax Act.

Marginal note:Prohibition — paying electoral expenses

(4) No person or entity, other than the official agent of a candidate, shall pay expenses in relation to the candidate’s electoral campaign except for petty expenses referred to in section 411 and the candidate’s personal expenses.

Marginal note:Prohibition — incurring electoral expenses

(5) No person or entity, other than a candidate, his or her official agent or a person authorized under paragraph 446© to enter into contracts, shall incur expenses in relation to the candidate’s electoral campaign.

Marginal note:Prohibition — candidate’s personal expenses

(6) No person, other than a candidate or his or her official agent, shall pay the candidate’s personal expenses.

Prohibition — collusion

(2) No candidate, official agent of the candidate, person authorized under paragraph 446© to enter into contracts or third party, within the meaning given that expression by section 349, shall collude with each other for the purpose of circumventing the election expenses limit calculated under section 440.

Edited March 11, 2012 by MACKER