Christy Clark

[punked]

That’s not with keeping of the facts of the Provincial realities……..We’re currently in a deficit of ~1 billion dollars……..AKA the number we’re required to pay back after the HST referendum………..And strangely enough, the BC NDP’s talking points in relation to the Teachers contract dispute is that we could afford the Teacher’s demands of 15% raise (~2 billion further in the hole) but the BC Liberals are making our economic plight worse than it really is so as to deny the Teacher’s request.

Almost everything you have said is made up in your own head. Might be how you see the situation but it is all spin.

[Guest Derek L]

Almost everything you have said is made up in your own head. Might be how you see the situation but it is all spin.

Are you suggesting BC is not in a deficit of ~1 billion dollars? Or that the Teachers are not asking for a 15% wage/benefit increase, which will equal ~2 billion dollars? Or that the Province doesn’t have to payback to the Feds the HST monies?

[punked]

Are you suggesting BC is not in a deficit of ~1 billion dollars? Or that the Teachers are not asking for a 15% wage/benefit increase, which will equal ~2 billion dollars? Or that the Province doesn’t have to payback to the Feds the HST monies?

I am suggesting your implication of where the NDP stands is all spin.

[Bonam]

I dunno how anyone in BC could vote for the NDP after Glen Clark.

[Guest Derek L]

I am suggesting your implication of where the NDP stands is all spin.

Where does the BC NDP stand in relation to the teachers and other public sector unions? Adrian Dix has said he is “pro teacher” at the recent rally, but hasn’t offered specifics………So what is their stance?

[Guest Derek L]

I dunno how anyone in BC could vote for the NDP after Glen Clark.

Indeed, but we've had boobs from the other end of the spectrum as well {see Vander Zalm & Campbell}.......I think we're ready for the Conservatives or the Greens to have a crack at it....

[punked]

Where does the BC NDP stand in relation to the teachers and other public sector unions? Adrian Dix has said he is “pro teacher” at the recent rally, but hasn’t offered specifics………So what is their stance?

He thinks they should have the right to negotiate fairly and openly which is a far cry from he thinks the teacher should get any type of wage increase. Again your "facts" are all spin, I am not sure why would lie about something so easily found out to be false but what can I say.

[Guest Derek L]

He thinks they should have the right to negotiate fairly and openly which is a far cry from he thinks the teacher should get any type of wage increase. Again your "facts" are all spin, I am not sure why would lie about something so easily found out to be false but what can I say.

Do you have a link to this stated policy?

[eyeball]

I dunno how anyone in BC could vote for the NDP after Glen Clark.

I don't know how any self-respecting BC voter could vote after the Prop-rep botch jobs and HST spectacle.

Leaving democracy in the hands of BC's government is not much better than leaving fisheries and oceans in the hands of Ottawa.

I have zero confidence in the outcome for either.

[punked]

Do you have a link to this stated policy?

There is a news article right here. In fact the position I stated as the NDP's has been in the news repeatedly over the last month. Are you one of those right wingers who doesn't read the news because facts have a left wing tilt?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-ndp-to-oppose-bill-ending-teacher-job-action/article2352419/

[Newfoundlander]

Problem with first past the post eh? That is why run off elections are needed.

No government is interested in that though.

Edited March 11, 2012 by Newfoundlander

[Guest Derek L]

There is a news article right here. In fact the position I stated as the NDP's has been in the news repeatedly over the last month. Are you one of those right wingers who doesn't read the news because facts have a left wing tilt?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-ndp-to-oppose-bill-ending-teacher-job-action/article2352419/

Hey, what’s with angry rhetoric? I simply asked a question, and to your question, yes I do read the newspaper, but I obviously don’t follow the NDP as much as you….That said, my response relating to the NDP’s position(s) has be shaped by more of the reporting on what Dix hasn’t said:

http://www.globaltvbc.com/canada/teacher+pickets+at+victoria+government+buildings+illegal+finance+minister/6442595334/story.html

Opposition NDP Leader Adrian Dix told the protesters he is "pro-teacher" and accused the Liberals of taking a confrontational approach to the contract dispute.

"I ask you to join us today and in the future to fight for public education," he said.

From Dix’s own mouth, one is lead to believe he and the party are siding with the BCTF.......But leave little on how they would resolve the dispute.

And in the link you provided from the Globe, it too says very little on how the Ndp would resolve said job action, other than they oppose the Liberals bill…..It’s says nothing on what their position is on the BCTF’s 15% demands………You do know, previous NDP Governments here have legislated the Teacher’s back to work right?

Is by Dix saying he’s “pro teacher” signal that he wouldn’t or that there is much elasticise to the NDP’s position?

Edited March 11, 2012 by Derek L

[punked]

Hey, what’s with angry rhetoric? I simply asked a question, and to your question, yes I do read the newspaper, but I obviously don’t follow the NDP as much as you….That said, my response relating to the NDP’s position(s) has be shaped by more of the reporting on what Dix hasn’t said:

http://www.globaltvbc.com/canada/teacher+pickets+at+victoria+government+buildings+illegal+finance+minister/6442595334/story.html

From Dix’s own mouth, one is lead to believe he and the party are siding with the BCTF.......But leave little on how they would resolve the dispute.

And in the link you provided from the Globe, it too says very little on how the Ndp would resolve said job action, other than they oppose the Liberals bill…..It’s says nothing on what their position is on the BCTF’s 15% demands………You do know, previous NDP Governments here have legislated the Teacher’s back to work right?

Is by Dix saying he’s “pro teacher” signal that he wouldn’t or that there is much elasticise to the NDP’s position?

Yah in 1998 the NDP legislate the teachers back to work AFTER THE TEACHERS RATIFIED THE AGREEMENT, but the boards refused to. See the NDP legislate the teachers back to work after the teachers agreed to the collective agreement. See in 1998 the teachers and the government actually had negotiations which is what the NDP is saying needs to go on now. I am personally shocked that the NDP is supporting something that they did in the past.

I am sorry you don't actually know what happened in the past, or the NDPs stance on any issue. However that is not my fault and you should really educate yourself on your own talking points because it is all spin. You have some facts which you know little about and you are using the misinterpretation of those facts to create an opinion really doing a dis-service to yourself.

[Guest Derek L]

Yah in 1998 the NDP legislate the teachers back to work AFTER THE TEACHERS RATIFIED THE AGREEMENT, but the boards refused to. See the NDP legislate the teachers back to work after the teachers agreed to the collective agreement. See in 1998 the teachers and the government actually had negotiations which is what the NDP is saying needs to go on now. I am personally shocked that the NDP is supporting something that they did in the past.

I am sorry you don't actually know what happened in the past, or the NDPs stance on any issue. However that is not my fault and you should really educate yourself on your own talking points because it is all spin. You have some facts which you know little about and you are using the misinterpretation of those facts to create an opinion really doing a dis-service to yourself.

You’re talking about spin……..Nowhere in that long winded response did you mention if the NDP feels the BCTF’s demands are reasonable………If we had an NDP Government, right now, what would you expect the settlement to look like? 5%? 10%? The whole 15%? And where would the NDP get the money to pay for said settlement?

Spin, spin, spin

[Guest Derek L]

Yah in 1998 the NDP legislate the teachers back to work AFTER THE TEACHERS RATIFIED THE AGREEMENT, but the boards refused to. See the NDP legislate the teachers back to work after the teachers agreed to the collective agreement. See in 1998 the teachers and the government actually had negotiations which is what the NDP is saying needs to go on now. I am personally shocked that the NDP is supporting something that they did in the past.

I am sorry you don't actually know what happened in the past, or the NDPs stance on any issue. However that is not my fault and you should really educate yourself on your own talking points because it is all spin. You have some facts which you know little about and you are using the misinterpretation of those facts to create an opinion really doing a dis-service to yourself.

To add........I noticed you didn't mention 1996's Bill 21, in which The NDP Government threatened to impose a collective agreement on the BCTF prior to the ‘96 election……..Nor did you mention that during the ‘98 agreement, the NDP negotiated directly with the BCTF without including the BCPSEA.....I wonder why the school boards would refuse an agreement in which they were not included in reaching

Spin, spin, spin

[punked]

To add........I noticed you didn't mention 1996's Bill 21, in which The NDP Government threatened to impose a collective agreement on the BCTF prior to the ‘96 election……..Nor did you mention that during the ‘98 agreement, the NDP negotiated directly with the BCTF without including the BCPSEA.....I wonder why the school boards would refuse an agreement in which they were not included in reaching

Spin, spin, spin

Just pointing out at no time did the NDP refuse to negotiate which is all they are arguing now. That the teachers have a right to bargain I fail to see how their past in which they supported the right to bargain is any different then what they are arguing about now. I get it, you don't actually know what happened in the past so you are repeating the Liberal talking points, but the NDP's position now is no different from the past.

[Topaz]

I see the former Premier of BC, is now a high Commissioner to Britain, is that why he traded HST for a new job?

[Newfoundlander]

I see the former Premier of BC, is now a high Commissioner to Britain, is that why he traded HST for a new job?

You're just seeing that now?

[Guest Derek L]

Just pointing out at no time did the NDP refuse to negotiate which is all they are arguing now. That the teachers have a right to bargain I fail to see how their past in which they supported the right to bargain is any different then what they are arguing about now. I get it, you don't actually know what happened in the past so you are repeating the Liberal talking points, but the NDP's position now is no different from the past.

They didn't negotiate with the school boards in '98.........As for the "past", well I lived through it, and as a precedent, today’s BC NDP certainly shouldn’t emulate past BC NDP Governments….didn’t go so well for them……or did you not know that?

[punked]

They didn't negotiate with the school boards in '98.........As for the "past", well I lived through it, and as a precedent, today’s BC NDP certainly shouldn’t emulate past BC NDP Governments….didn’t go so well for them……or did you not know that?

Yah no they negotiated directly with the teachers which is what they are saying needs to happen now. Seriously I get it, you are repeating the Liberal talking points you hear but fact is what you are saying doesn't go against what they have done in the past. Which is what you were saying. Plenty would argue and have every right to that past NDP governments were much better then the Liberal government of today. You just wouldn't agree I get that.

[lukin]

Yah no they negotiated directly with the teachers which is what they are saying needs to happen now. Seriously I get it, you are repeating the Liberal talking points you hear but fact is what you are saying doesn't go against what they have done in the past. Which is what you were saying. Plenty would argue and have every right to that past NDP governments were much better then the Liberal government of today. You just wouldn't agree I get that.

Stop smelling the dead roses already.

[TheNewTeddy]

BC's NDP government was an awful government, evidenced by their result in the 2001 election. Of their 4 premiers, 1 was an Interim, 1 became a Liberal, and 2 had to resign because of scandal. Even Mulroney/Chretien/Martin/Whomever did not resign because of scandal. In addition, looking at the fiscal data I posted in the Newfoundland Budget thread, it's easy to see that BC's NDP government was comparable to Saskatchewan's PC government in being awful for the budget.

I am not saying the NDP is bad, or BC is bad, or that the BC NDP is bad. Dave Barrett had a good government if I may say so. Dix may well run a good government himself when he gets in, in a few years. None of that however can overcome the fact that the BC NDP's "record" is not something you want to run on.

[fellowtraveller]

You’re talking about spin……..Nowhere in that long winded response did you mention if the NDP feels the BCTF’s demands are reasonable………If we had an NDP Government, right now, what would you expect the settlement to look like? 5%? 10%? The whole 15%? And where would the NDP get the money to pay for said settlement?

Spin, spin, spin

They would get the money from taxpayers, a bottomless pit of funds in BC.

Personally, I am rooting for the NDP all the way in BC.

Every time the NDP gets elected there, skilled workers from BC flood Alberta because they have no work at home. Every time the NDP loses an election, they all pack up and head over the Rockies and jobs.

As it happens, Alberta is soon to be in dire need of skilled workers. As it also happens, BC is about to have an election. The stars are aligning perfectly.

Note that I do not wish BC anything bad, but if they choose to shoot themselves nobody is going to try and talk them out of their own choices.

[punked]

They would get the money from taxpayers, a bottomless pit of funds in BC.

Personally, I am rooting for the NDP all the way in BC.

Every time the NDP gets elected there, skilled workers from BC flood Alberta because they have no work at home. Every time the NDP loses an election, they all pack up and head over the Rockies and jobs.

As it happens, Alberta is soon to be in dire need of skilled workers. As it also happens, BC is about to have an election. The stars are aligning perfectly.

Note that I do not wish BC anything bad, but if they choose to shoot themselves nobody is going to try and talk them out of their own choices.

You do know that of all governments, NDP governments get the lowest settlements among unions. The NS NDP held their teachers to a 1% rise over three years, and got 1% from doctors as well. I know you hate when facts don't line up with your faith but sometimes you need to go with the facts.

[Newfoundlander]

I am not saying the NDP is bad, or BC is bad, or that the BC NDP is bad. Dave Barrett had a good government if I may say so. Dix may well run a good government himself when he gets in, in a few years. None of that however can overcome the fact that the BC NDP's "record" is not something you want to run on.

I would hope Conservatives come to their senses and not allow Dix to become premier. NDP support seems to be maxed out in the low 40's in BC so as long as the right of centre stick together they can win the next election, and then work at ousting Clark before 2017.