The Latest Example Of The Entitlement Society

[Shady]

You'd think if you just won a million dollar lottery prize, you might stop collecting food stamps at the expense of tax payers. You'd be wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWeRRC3tqY

The worst part about this, when asked, she still feels like she's entitled to the handout, because she's "not working" right now.

[olpfan1]

Why hasn't she been taken off government services? Seems like someone screwed up

[Shady]

Why hasn't she been taken off government services? Seems like someone screwed up

She has been now. Nobody screwed up, except her, purposely. She didn't report her new income, so as to keep her $200 dollar per month food card. Because she's feels she still deserves it.

[cybercoma]

Fallacy of composition.

[Bonam]

If the government or some other organization wants to give you something free/cheap, why say no? The gov probably taxed her a good 200-300k on those winnings, so she's paid in plenty.

I make plenty but still look for deals and discounts. Same thing imo. Unless it was against the law or something, but I don't think it was was it?

[cybercoma]

Bonam supporting welfare fraud. Did I just step into the Twilight Zone?

[Guest American Woman]

If the government or some other organization wants to give you something free/cheap, why say no? The gov probably taxed her a good 200-300k on those winnings, so she's paid in plenty.

I make plenty but still look for deals and discounts. Same thing imo. Unless it was against the law or something, but I don't think it was was it?

Really? You think taking money from taxpayers is the equivalent of "looking for deals and discounts?"

So she paid 200-300k in taxes, leaving her with a mere 700k. Poor dear. No wonder she feels entitled to my tax dollars!

And yes, it was against the law. link

A woman who won a $1 million lottery prize in Michigan has had her food stamp assistance cut off after reports surfaced that she was still collecting the taxpayer-supported benefit.

The state's Department of Human Services has cut off $200 a month in food aid to Amanda Clayton following reports in which she said she believed she should still be eligible to receive the benefit.

In addition to being cut off, reports said, Clayton has been referred to the department's anti-fraud authorities.

"DHS relies on clients being forthcoming about their actual financial status," director Maura D. Corrigan said in a statement, according to the Chicago Tribune. "If they are not, and continue to accept benefits, they may face criminal investigation and be required to pay back those benefits."

I can't understand why you would support such a thing, even if it were legal.

[Bonam]

Really? You think taking money from taxpayers is the equivalent of "looking for deals and discounts?"

So she paid 200-300k in taxes, leaving her with a mere 700k. Poor dear. No wonder she feels entitled to my tax dollars!

And yes, it was against the law.

I can't understand why you would support such a thing, even if it were legal.

If it's against the law I definitely do not support it.

But if it was legal, what's wrong with it exactly? In a welfare state where the government spends trillions on handouts and entitlements, funded by our taxes, I say go get whatever handout you can qualify for. No point trying to be all independent and principled when surrounded by millions of leeches sucking on Uncle Sam's teets. Suck out what you can while the sucking is good. And if you happen to be wealthy anyway, sucking a bit on the side will only help to make you more so.

[Bonam]

Bonam supporting welfare fraud. Did I just step into the Twilight Zone?

I'm not so much "supporting welfare fraud" as pointing out the inevitability of people thinking that they're "entitled to their entitlements" when living in a welfare state. It's just the mindset of the times. Why give up a handout just because you don't need it anymore, if the government keeps giving it to you?

[Guest Manny]

"Crime is inevitable..."

[jacee]

I'm not so much "supporting welfare fraud" as pointing out the inevitability of people thinking that they're "entitled to their entitlements" when living in a welfare state. It's just the mindset of the times. Why give up a handout just because you don't need it anymore, if the government keeps giving it to you?

It's fraud. Illegal. She doesn't need and isn't entitled to food stamps.

[Guest American Woman]

If it's against the law I definitely do not support it.

I would hope not.

But if it was legal, what's wrong with it exactly?

What's wrong with taking something you don't need? From others, some who have less, who are working hard? Because the purpose of welfare, and that's what it is, is to provide support to people who need it - while they need it. It's not supposed to be a lifestyle, something to take advantage of - and the fact that so many people abuse it is why our countries/states/provinces are in such a sorry state. You don't think people have accountability for their actions? You think morals and ethics should fly out the window? What's wrong with it is that people who don't need it but take it anyway are abusing the system. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

In a welfare state where the government spends trillions on handouts and entitlements, funded by our taxes, I say go get whatever handout you can qualify for.

Is your sense of entitlement so strong? I'm seriously trying to figure out how you could think such a thing - how you could think someone who has just bought a new house and new car after winning a million dollars should rightfully be taking food stamps - at the expense of people who are working their butts off, many who have less.

No point trying to be all independent and principled when surrounded by millions of leeches sucking on Uncle Sam's teets. Suck out what you can while the sucking is good. And if you happen to be wealthy anyway, sucking a bit on the side will only help to make you more so.

Wow. I cannot even begin to understand or accept or feel anything but contempt for such an attitude. In the end, you have to look at yourself in the mirror - not the "millions of leeches sucking on Uncle Sam's teets." You have to live with yourself - as part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

[Bonam]

What's wrong with taking something you don't need? From others, some who have less, who are working hard? Because the purpose of welfare, and that's what it is, is to provide support to people who need it - while they need it.

Need it according to what criteria? A large portion could very likely get off their asses and get a job and support themselves. Instead they live off the work and taxes of others. Then there's things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, where you can get back more taxes in a refund than you pay in if you make a low income. Then there's Social Security, which pays everyone, whether they need it or not, costing taxpayers hundreds of billions every year.

Do you expect seniors who are doing well financially to turn down their social security payments?

Taking whatever the government gives you and not caring what it costs others and how it impacts things in the long term is the new basis of Western society.

how you could think someone who has just bought a new house and new car after winning a million dollars should rightfully be taking food stamps - at the expense of people who are working their butts off, many who have less.

How? The same way that millionaire CEOs can take bailouts from taxpayers, many of whom just lost their jobs because of how those CEOs screwed up. It's a leecher's society, all about extracting what you can from the government, whether you're rich or poor.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

That attitude is long dead. Haven't you listened to your politicians lately?

[Guest American Woman]

Need it according to what criteria? A large portion could very likely get off their asses and get a job and support themselves. Instead they live off the work and taxes of others. Then there's things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, where you can get back more taxes in a refund than you pay in if you make a low income. Then there's Social Security, which pays everyone, whether they need it or not, costing taxpayers hundreds of billions every year.

Do you expect seniors who are doing well financially to turn down their social security payments?

Let me explain again - welfare is not a "lifestyle" - it's there for those who need it while they need it. Social Security, on the other hand, is a lifestyle - everyone gets it.

Taking whatever the government gives you and not caring what it costs others and how it impacts things in the long term is the new basis of Western society.

Is it now? And you approve of that? You have no problem with supporting, actually perpetuating such a society?

How? The same way that millionaire CEOs can take bailouts from taxpayers, many of whom just lost their jobs because of how those CEOs screwed up. It's a leecher's society, all about extracting what you can from the government, whether you're rich or poor.

You think I have any more respect for those CEO's than I do for people abusing the welfare system? You think two wrongs make a right?

That attitude is long dead. Haven't you listened to your politicians lately?

I listen to myself. I don't get my morals and ethics from politicians. As I said, I have to live with myself - and I can't imagine living with the attitude you ascribe to. What a sad commentary for our future.

[CPCFTW]

How? The same way that millionaire CEOs can take bailouts from taxpayers, many of whom just lost their jobs because of how those CEOs screwed up. It's a leecher's society, all about extracting what you can from the government, whether you're rich or poor.

That's life actually. That's science.

We could all hold hands and sing kumbaya, grow wheat and oats, and sustain ourselves on porridge together in harmony.

But I happen to want to eat a bloody juicy steak, not porridge.

I want to be rich and successful, so I can insert my genes into the most attractive female I can find.

That's competition. That's biology.

As the "science" party, it's hard to understand why the left can't seem to figure out that capitalism is the natural order of life.

[jacee]

That's life actually. That's science.

We could all hold hands and sing kumbaya, grow wheat and oats, and sustain ourselves on porridge together in harmony.

But I happen to want to eat a bloody juicy steak, not porridge.

I want to be rich and successful, so I can insert my genes into the most attractive female I can find.

That's competition. That's biology.

As the "science" party, it's hard to understand why the left can't seem to figure out that capitalism is the natural order of life.

So you're saying it's ok, expected, even celebrated in a capitalist society that someone would commit welfare fraud?

Not what I would have expected from you.

Or is it only ok if it's millionaire CEO's doing it?

And you do know that porridge is much better for you than red meat ... if long life is one of your goals, of course.

Edited March 16, 2012 by jacee

[cybercoma]

He's also calling women whores, since he's a troll. That's why I've put him on ignore.

Edited March 16, 2012 by cybercoma

[Guest Manny]

That's life actually. That's science.

We could all hold hands and sing kumbaya, grow wheat and oats, and sustain ourselves on porridge together in harmony.

But I happen to want to eat a bloody juicy steak, not porridge.

I want to be rich and successful, so I can insert my genes into the most attractive female I can find.

That's competition. That's biology.

As the "science" party, it's hard to understand why the left can't seem to figure out that capitalism is the natural order of life.

That's true, for "animal consciousness".

[Jack Weber]

That's life actually. That's science.

We could all hold hands and sing kumbaya, grow wheat and oats, and sustain ourselves on porridge together in harmony.

But I happen to want to eat a bloody juicy steak, not porridge.

I want to be rich and successful, so I can insert my genes into the most attractive female I can find.

That's competition. That's biology.

As the "science" party, it's hard to understand why the left can't seem to figure out that capitalism is the natural order of life.

Sir Francis Galton!!!

He's here all week!

[CPCFTW]

So you're saying it's ok, expected, even celebrated in a capitalist society that someone would commit welfare fraud?

Not what I would have expected from you.

Or is it only ok if it's millionaire CEO's doing it?

And you do know that porridge is much better for you than red meat ... if long life is one of your goals, of course.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people are biologically wired to try to succeed to attract mates. As a woman, surely you can admit that a successful man is more attractive than poor one (or perhaps he was when you were between 16-30). And admitting that is not an admission of being a whore, despite Cybercoma's ridiculous notions! As a man under 30, I can tell you that I would not want to have children without being secure financially. What a whore I am! A couple that is financially successful will have the means to raise successful children in a capitalist society.

A capitalist system basically rewards those who can accrue wealth with the right to reproduce. It is darwinism in full effect. A socialist system takes from those who are successful, and transfers it to the unsuccessful in the name of "equality". Equality is counter-intuitive to science. If we were all equal than why am I not having children with Megan Fox right now? Surely I am exactly equal to her current mate? Equality is a feel-good farce of the left. The only equality that should exist is the equality of opportunity (and this does not mean everyone should start on a level playing field through affirmative action and free education.. some people will have to work harder than others to succeed, just as some animals might have more competition, or less food in their habitat than another).

We are not biologically wired to share with strangers. But if we leverage our biological impulses into wealth creation and accumulation, we can have the means to give everyone a better life.

In a nutshell, what I am saying is that Einstein didn't develop the theory of relativity, etc. to help mankind, but because he wanted to be a successful scientist to get some poon.

You can feed a lion all you want, but if you dump a steak in his throat he's going to swallow. Similarly, this woman is biologically wired to accept handouts as are all of us. I don't know about you, but when I am filing my taxes, I don't ask my accountant to not claim a tax credit because I already make enough.

He's also calling women whores, since he's a troll. That's why I've put him on ignore.

Typical hippy that can't stand to hear contrary opinions. I would love to hear how I called women whores... you see I am open to contrary opinions and don't ignorantly dismiss them as "trolling".

Edited March 16, 2012 by CPCFTW

[Guest American Woman]

You can feed a lion all you want, but if you dump a steak in his throat he's going to swallow. Similarly, this woman is biologically wired to accept handouts as are all of us. I don't know about you, but when I am filing my taxes, I don't ask my accountant to not claim a tax credit because I already make enough.

Lions act on instinct, while humans have the ability to think abstractly. I don't know about you, but I'm not "'biologically wired' to accept handouts," and I'm knowledgeable enough to know the difference between "welfare" and "tax deductions/credits."

Edited March 16, 2012 by American Woman

[Guest Peeves]

If the government or some other organization wants to give you something free/cheap, why say no? The gov probably taxed her a good 200-300k on those winnings, so she's paid in plenty.

I make plenty but still look for deals and discounts. Same thing imo. Unless it was against the law or something, but I don't think it was was it?

Now that's dumb. THE GOVERNMENT gives you nothing. The GOVERNMENT takes money from wage earners an GIVES HANDOUTS to fraudsters.

If this ^%&$#@&! takes it it is being taken from a tax payer and someone deserving of charity.

TAr & Feather her!

[Guest Peeves]

He's also calling women whores, since he's a troll. That's why I've put him on ignore.

Ignoring is used by school girls and wusses.

[Shakeyhands]

Sir Francis Galton!!!

He's here all week!

Doesn't fit CPCFTW's mould. Galton's wife was VERY unattractive. Hitler enjoyed his theories though!

[Guest Manny]

Galton's wife was VERY unattractive.

Not necessarily, to Galton...