did obama bow to AIPAC?

[bud]

History says that this is not true. America was born of war and has thrived on war, becoming the world's lone superpower in the same way. Wars are very, very, very American.

it's simply unsustainable. u.s. needs to figure out how to pay for things inside america, like the retiring baby boomers (who have ruined the country by sitting quiet and riding the failing system and living in the rat race). the u.s. cannot afford paying for more wars. not in dollars and not in lives.

No, what you know is that your hatred for Israel

there is no hatred for israel. there is, however, hatred for injustice. i hope israel will survive and thrive while abandoning their reckless, unjust and racist agenda.

will always be stoked by an unwavering American commitment to Israel and other allies in the region, and there is nothing you can do about it.

unwavering commitment is not from sharing values or anything lovey dovey. this unwavering commitment is brought to you by election $ and systematic pressure by the israeli lobby.

I actually have more respect for activists like Rachel Corrie, who died for what she believed in trying to block an IDF Caterpillar D-9.

that's great, you man of heart and integrity.

LOL! And I will keep laughing at foolish young pups like you all the way to the crematorium. Kids!

your time is over old man. if america doesn't wake up and give a big boot to the old ways, this downward spiral will reach a point of no return.

[bush_cheney2004]

it's simply unsustainable. u.s. needs to figure out how to pay for things inside america, like the retiring baby boomers (who have ruined the country by sitting quiet and riding the failing system and living in the rat race). the u.s. cannot afford paying for more wars. not in dollars and not in lives.

Sure it can....too big to fail!

there is no hatred for israel. there is, however, hatred for injustice. i hope israel will survive and thrive while abandoning their reckless, unjust and racist agenda.

Lot's of "injustice" in the world 'bro....so why focus just on Israel? Seems to me your own province is still screwing over local PalestIndians.

unwavering commitment is not from sharing values or anything lovey dovey. this unwavering commitment is brought to you by election $ and systematic pressure by the israeli lobby.

Wrong...Israel enjoys broad support within the USA regardless of AIPAC, which is also American.

your time is over old man. if america doesn't wake up and give a big boot to the old ways, this downward spiral will reach a point of no return.

LOL! You admit that America is still top dog, and may just have to be a second rate empire like yours (and the Queen). 'Tis better to have been...than never at all.

[bud]

Sure it can....too big to fail!

maybe in your lifetime. not sure if you have any kids or grand kids or nephews or nieces, but your attitude and consent for this unsustainable system is going to ruin their world.

Lot's of "injustice" in the world 'bro....so why focus just on Israel? Seems to me your own province is still screwing over local PalestIndians.

this injustice is fully supported by the west and the results of the injustices towards the palestinians has an effect on the stability of the world.

Wrong...Israel enjoys broad support within the USA regardless of AIPAC, which is also American.

propaganda and media self-censorship feeding the ignorance of the people sure does wonders. it's not a surprise that the american people are known to be some of the most ignorant and unaware people in the whole world.

LOL! You admit that America is still top dog, and may just have to be a second rate empire like yours (and the Queen). 'Tis better to have been...than never at all.

"top dog". ugh. you're too old for the "my dad can bench more than your dad" way of thinking. america still has the chance to be something special which started with a constitution that's admired around the world. somewhere along the way, it lost its ways and the people consumed themselves with so much artificial stimulants (tv, sports and fastfood), that they've lost the fire, energy and awareness that helped them to progress so rapidly and reach a high level in a short time.

the population of the dull minded and semi-literate is increasing which is just fine for the multi nationals who feed on these impressionable people. wars and destruction do not bring wealth to the average person. they only bring wealth to a tiny percentage of people. the middle-class is decreasing and the population of people below the poverty line is increasing. you want to keep your head in the sand, that's your choice.

Edited March 7, 2012 by bud

[bush_cheney2004]

maybe in your lifetime. not sure if you have any kids or grand kids or nephews or nieces, but your attitude and consent for this unsustainable system is going to ruin their world.

Hardly...they never had it so good. Spoiled kids like you don't know how to do without.

this injustice is fully supported by the west and the results of the injustices towards the palestinians has an effect on the stability of the world.

It's supported by the whole world, including Arab nations who pimp the Palestinians.

propaganda and media self-censorship feeding the ignorance of the people sure does wonders. it's not a surprise that the american people are known to be some of the most ignorant and unaware people in the whole world.

The whole world still prefers to emigrate to evil America. 46,000,000 are from other nations.

"top dog". ugh. you're too old for the "my dad can bench more than your dad" way of thinking. america still has the chance to be something special which started with a constitution that's admired around the world.

America doesn't owe you or anybody else in the "world" a damn thing. Be something "special" on your own time and dime.

somewhere along the way, it lost its ways and the people consumed themselves with so much artificial stimulants (tv, sports and fastfood), that they've lost the fire, energy and awareness that helped them to progress so rapidly and reach a high level in a short time.

Americans live the exact same way you do....and have still gone farther.

the population of the dull minded and semi-literate is increasing which is just fine for the multi nationals who feed on these impressionable people. wars and destruction do not bring wealth to the average person. they only bring wealth to a tiny percentage of people. the middle-class is decreasing and the population of people below the poverty line is increasing. you want to keep your head in the sand, that's your choice.

Of course it's my choice...why would I listen to a guy from Vancover bitching about America listening to an American Jewish lobby? You do realize how silly that is, right? What makes your "wisdom" better than anybody elses?

C'mon...show us all how you and Canada will save the world from certain doom!

[DogOnPorch]

BC-2012: Americans live the exact same way you do....and have still gone farther.

Indeed. Like in Van there isn't a Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Time, KFC, McDonald's, Pizza Hut (etc) on the way to the Future Shop where they sell big screen TVs to watch the Canucks play and the fans riot.

[bud]

Hardly...they never had it so good. Spoiled kids like you don't know how to do without.

the peak was reached and has passed. for the first time in a while, life expectancy is going to go down

instead of up. spoiled kids has nothing to do with what is ahead of them and us.

this is not about how you or i feel, this is about the statistics. the percentage of people who are considered middle class is declining and the number of people below the poverty line is increasing.

then there is the amount of debt not only carried by the country but also the lack of savings by people.

everything is declining in the west and the u.s. is leading the pack.

stop being so sensitive when there is criticism of our way of life. time to let go of the past and face reality. those who cannot adapt and change are left behind and if the current trend continues, american people will surely be left behind.

[bush_cheney2004]

the peak was reached and has passed. for the first time in a while, life expectancy is going to go down

instead of up. spoiled kids has nothing to do with what is ahead of them and us.

Good...so you admit that your "generation" is the pinnacle of pampered living....not mine.

this is not about how you or i feel, this is about the statistics. the percentage of people who are considered middle class is declining and the number of people below the poverty line is increasing.

So what.....you say that as if not being middle class is a disease. The poverty line is an arbitrary metric.

then there is the amount of debt not only carried by the country but also the lack of savings by people.

Countries and people make choices....with consequences...some good...some bad....but always a choice.

everything is declining in the west and the u.s. is leading the pack.

Compared to what? Why do you obsess on the US if this is a "western" issue?

stop being so sensitive when there is criticism of our way of life. time to let go of the past and face reality. those who cannot adapt and change are left behind and if the current trend continues, american people will surely be left behind.

LOL! You can't be serious...left behind what? At least be consistent compared to what you said above. You STOP obsessing on the role of the USA in your future and the salvation of the entire western world. If you are trying to preach this nonsense to me from a co-opted place like Canada, all I have to say is lead, follow, or get out of the goddamn way!

[bush_cheney2004]

Indeed. Like in Van there isn't a Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Time, KFC, McDonald's, Pizza Hut (etc) on the way to the Future Shop where they sell big screen TVs to watch the Canucks play and the fans riot.

Well, at least they have free needle shooting galleries for junkies.

[Wolf Larsen]

Thank you Bud. Thank you for showing us that video of a courageous Jewish woman standing up against the settlement policy. Of course, some right-winger began to argue that Jews who don't support Israeli government policies are anti-Jewish. So now the right-wingers get to decide who is Jewish and who isn't? There are many Jews who do not support the violent government of Israel, and who do not support the violent settlers in the West Bank. There are many decent Jews across the world that want peace. But according to the right-wingers any Jew that wants peace is not Jewish. These right-wingers are getting more insane and ridiculous by the day!

Edited March 7, 2012 by Wolf Larsen

[bud]

Good...so you admit that your "generation" is the pinnacle of pampered living....not mine.

you still don't get it. no one is arguing that our generation is pampered. the argument is that our generation and our children's generation will suffer due to mistakes made by baby boomers. the numbness and lack of passion is due to the failing system that has been nurtured by the baby boomers. our attitude towards the system needs to change, or we'll be going towards some really shitty times. there is plenty of signs of this right now. it's time to admit to it and figure out a way to resolve the issues.

So what.....you say that as if not being middle class is a disease. The poverty line is an arbitrary metric.

wtf? are you trying to justify being under the poverty line?

Countries and people make choices....with consequences...some good...some bad....but always a choice.

okay? and? we cannot talk about it and try to better ourselves?

Compared to what? Why do you obsess on the US if this is a "western" issue?

i obsess over many issues that directly or indirectly effect me, my future and humanity in general.

LOL! You can't be serious...left behind what? At least be consistent compared to what you said above. You STOP obsessing on the role of the USA in your future and the salvation of the entire western world. If you are trying to preach this nonsense to me from a co-opted place like Canada, all I have to say is lead, follow, or get out of the goddamn way!

why are you so afraid of engaging in conversation and hearing criticism about your culture? stop being so sensitive and taking everything so personally. everything is not okay. whether we like it or not, america's present and future effects not only canada but all of the world. you can continue to tell me to mind my own business like i have no right to criticize america, but it's not going to happen.

Edited March 7, 2012 by bud

[bush_cheney2004]

you still don't get it. no one is arguing that our generation is pampered. the argument is that our generation and our children's generation will suffer due to mistakes made by baby boomers.

I beg your pardon...we never promised you a rose garden.

the numbness and lack of passion is due to the failing system that has been nurtured by the baby boomers. our attitude towards the system needs to change, or we'll be going towards some really shitty times.

"Shitty times" builds character. When I was a kid, we had to save and re-use wax paper from school lunch sandwiches...I'll bet you don't even know what wax paper is. Aluminum foil was for the "rich".

there is plenty of signs of this right now. it's time to admit to it and figure out a way to resolve the issues.

The "issues" will resolve themselves, just as they always have. Learn to live with less!

wtf? are you trying to justify being under the poverty line?

My family lived "under the poverty line" for years....no big deal. It is far easier for the poor to adapt than the pampered rich who have never known poverty.

okay? and? we cannot talk about it and try to better ourselves?

"We" have never been better. That's what I'm trying to tell you...the historical perspective escapes you because you have never lived it. You complain about what might be lost while I celebrate what has been gained, even if only temporary.

i obsess over many issues that directly or indirectly effect me, my future and humanity in general.

...then why does that mainly look like a focus on Jews and Israel? Check out Sub-Saharan Africa for a change in pace while you are saving humanity.

why are you so afraid of engaging in conversation and hearing criticism about your culture? stop being so sensitive and taking everything so personally.

Don't confuse mocking with sensitivity. You simply have no credibility as a pampered Gen XYZ living in Vancouver, Canada. My culture is your culture, whether you want to admit it or not.

everything is not okay. whether we like it or not, america's present and future effects not only canada but all of the world.

America has its own problems to worry about without having to meet your expectations. Tell the world to get a life!

you can continue to tell me to mind my own business like i have no right to criticize america, but it's not going to happen.

I know...that's why this forum is so much fun. Pretenders and wannabes like you bloviate ad nauseum about evil America while bemoaning the potential loss of the very "culture" you criticize. It's frickin' hilarious. You get your nose so far up America's butt then you complain about the smell!

Edited March 7, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[DogOnPorch]

Well, at least they have free needle shooting galleries for junkies.

Like any good Vancouverite, it's NIMBY. So that's all confined to Canada's poorest postal code, the Downtown East Side. Well...most of it. The False Creek area plus other distiguished areas, mind you, are monuments to excessive modern consumerism. Then there's the house prices..........

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