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[olpfan1]

Stalk much?

It's important to get to know your enemy, he's an enemy of every Canadian who respects democracy

he must be made an example of, 5 years in prison sounds like it'd look good on him

Maybe he'll take a deal if he gives us some of the people who put him up to this

Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

Oh man, you're not gonna believe this, its making sense now

Michael Sona was hired last week as communications director for Eve Adams

Eve Adams is dating Dimitri Soudas

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/11/17/dimitreve-the-privates-lives-of-public-figures/

As far as I know they could still be together

And we all know Dimitri Soudas used to be former director of communications in the Canadian Prime Minister's Office

and was during the election

There it is people

[CPCFTW]

Oh man, you're not gonna believe this, its making sense now

Michael Sona was hired last week as communications director for Eve Adams

Eve Adams is dating Dimitri Soudas

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/11/17/dimitreve-the-privates-lives-of-public-figures/

As far as I know they could still be together

And we all know Dimitri Soudas used to be former director of communications in the Canadian Prime Minister's Office

and was during the election

There it is people

Mystery solved. Give yourself a pat on the back, take off the tinfoil hat, and go to bed.

[olpfan1]

Mystery solved. Give yourself a pat on the back, take off the tinfoil hat, and go to bed.

I doubt anyone has a better lead than this, hopefully the media is looking into it now

It can't be a coincidence that a week before he "resigns" he is hired by eve adams whom is dating harpers close friend and former pmo communications director (during the election) dimitri soudas

its enough to be investigated

Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1

[CPCFTW]

I doubt anyone has a better lead than this, hopefully the media is looking into it now

It can't be a coincidence that a week before he "resigns" he is hired by eve adams whom is dating harpers close friend and former pmo communications director (during the election) dimitri soudas

its enough to be investigated

Better email the GG.

[olpfan1]

Better email the GG.

I have.. If I do it again that would just be annoying

[Vendetta]

To the willfully dense who keep asking why the Liberals leave their voter lists around, they don't. I'm sure you know damn well that campaigns use robocall polling to identify voting preference. That is what makes it so obvious that this was not a "lone gunman" This information is closely guarded and somebody on each of these campaigns or with acess to the central campaign had to have given them access to the riding by riding dialing lists. This government has lost all credibility. They have been exposed as liars far too many times.

[Vendetta]

Also I'm pretty sure Harper will appoint all of those involved to the senate so they can hide behind parliamentary privelege

[olpfan1]

To the willfully dense who keep asking why the Liberals leave their voter lists around, they don't. I'm sure you know damn well that campaigns use robocall polling to identify voting preference. That is what makes it so obvious that this was not a "lone gunman" This information is closely guarded and somebody on each of these campaigns or with acess to the central campaign had to have given them access to the riding by riding dialing lists. This government has lost all credibility. They have been exposed as liars far too many times.

The CPC could have planted people in those riding areas and go undercover as Liberal campaign workers

the CPC had the RCMP go undercover in many peaceful groups prior to the G20 so

it doesnt directly say CPC but the orders came from the government no doubt

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/11/22/g20-police-operation.html

Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1

[waldo]

Crazy story, despite that kid resigning they still need to do a full investigation as to who set it all up and punish them.

I expect "the kid's" reach/focus was simply Guelph... much more to come, like:

the live call-center harassing calls => More than a dozen ridings blitzed by harassing fake Liberal phone calls in 2011 election

An analysis of reports of mysterious harassing phone calls during the May 2011 election points to the existence of a systematic voter suppression campaign targeting Liberal voters in tightly contested ridings.

Unlike the pre-recorded "robocalls" now under investigation by Elections Canada, these calls came from live callers, likely working from a call centre.

A Postmedia News-Ottawa Citizen investigation based on interviews with dozens of campaign workers has identified 14 ridings — mostly closely fought electoral districts in southern Ontario — where electors reported receiving fake live calls.

Many received calls in the middle of the night from callers claiming they represented the local Liberal candidate.

Jewish voters in two ridings complained of receiving repeated phone calls at meal time on the Saturday Sabbath. In another riding where the Liberal candidate was of Pakistani heritage, some said the callers mimicked a South Asian accent.

People who received the calls report that the callers would phone repeatedly, irritating the recipients, and then speak to them rudely.

[olpfan1]

I still find the link between Michael Sona > Eve Adams > Dimitri Soudas > Stephen Harper rather alarming

[cybercoma]

Is anyone really stupid enough to believe that a lone campaign worker acting unilaterally had the resources to war-dial that many ridings? Even the National Post, which is a decidedly conservative outlet, doesn't buy that line of crap.

[Bryan]

Is anyone really stupid enough to believe that a lone campaign worker acting unilaterally had the resources to war-dial that many ridings? Even the National Post, which is a decidedly conservative outlet, doesn't buy that line of crap.

Those robo-dialer services are really cheap and really easy to use. All you need is an excel file, it's really easy. Nobody would need any "resources".

Far more incredulous to me is the Liberals expecting me to believe the Conservatives had copies of their supporter lists for all those ridings.

And the National Post has not been anything even remotely resembling a "conservative outlet" for a some time.

[olpfan1]

Those robo-dialer services are really cheap and really easy to use. All you need is an excel file, it's really easy. Nobody would need any "resources".

Far more incredulous to me is the Liberals expecting me to believe the Conservatives had copies of their supporter lists for all those ridings.

And the National Post has not been anything even remotely resembling a "conservative outlet" for a some time.

it was estimated it would have cost $ 50,000 to $ 100,000 altogether

Sona wasn't making that kind of money

Poor Bryan, willing to throw his intelligence under the bus cause he's in denial

Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1

[scribblet]

Those robo-dialer services are really cheap and really easy to use. All you need is an excel file, it's really easy. Nobody would need any "resources".

Far more incredulous to me is the Liberals expecting me to believe the Conservatives had copies of their supporter lists for all those ridings.

And the National Post has not been anything even remotely resembling a "conservative outlet" for a some time.

Actually I've wondered that too, how would he get the Liberal supporter lists, not just one, but many it seems. That is pretty incredulous.

[olpfan1]

Actually I've wondered that too, how would he get the Liberal supporter lists, not just one, but many it seems. That is pretty incredulous.

One theory is the liberals were trying to make the public think it was the CPC

... that is the reigning right wing theory.. not very believable

The CPC might have put some spies in the liberal campaigns and that is how

"might have"

Or rogue liberal campaigners sold the information for a lot of money

1 of those 3 is probably right

[Wild Bill]

One theory is the liberals were trying to make the public think it was the CPC

... that is the reigning right wing theory.. not very believable

The CPC might have put some spies in the liberal campaigns and that is how

"might have"

Or rogue liberal campaigners sold the information for a lot of money

1 of those 3 is probably right

Actually, it was all done in a studio on Earth in Area 51...

[cybercoma]

it was estimated it would have cost $ 50,000 to $ 100,000 altogether

Sona wasn't making that kind of money

Poor Bryan, willing to throw his intelligence under the bus cause he's in denial

And besides the fiscal resources, how did he get voter information from all over the country? This was an organized effort.

[cybercoma]

One theory is the liberals were trying to make the public think it was the CPC

... that is the reigning right wing theory.. not very believable

The CPC might have put some spies in the liberal campaigns and that is how

"might have"

Or rogue liberal campaigners sold the information for a lot of money

1 of those 3 is probably right

Yeah, right. The LPC sabotaged their own campaign on election day to make it seem like the CPC we're engaging in fraud. This wouldn't be found out until much later, after the election was done and over. Or does it seem more likely that the party who has already had sitting members charged or investigated with fraud engaged once again in fraud?

[cybercoma]

And we're talking about two different things in this thread. The robocalls were one thing, but the calls to Liberal supporters were most certainly NOT carried out by a single campaign worker:

An analysis of reports of mysterious harassing phone calls during the May 2011 election points to the existence of a systematic voter suppression campaign targeting Liberal voters in tightly contested ridings.

Unlike the pre-recorded ``robocalls'' now under investigation by Elections Canada, these calls came from live callers, likely working from a call centre.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/More+than+dozen+ridings+blitzed+harassing+fake+Liberal+phone+calls+2011+election/6206858/story.html

If this doesn't bother you or you don't think there's anything wrong with these kinds of tactics, then you have absolutely no credibility. No one should stand for this, regardless of what party you support. If you stand behind your party doing it today, then you have to support the other guys doing it tomorrow.

[scribblet]

And besides the fiscal resources, how did he get voter information from all over the country? This was an organized effort.

I don't think the fiscal resources are as high as suggested on here, but you think that the Tories have Liberal voter information/lists just kicking around ? I've worked on a number of campaigns but haven't seen any other lists but their own, how would they get them, they sure don't keep them around any campaign offices I've ever worked on.

I will tell you a little personal anecdote from a election where I worked in the Tory campaign office a number of years ago. The sitting federal MP is well known and still in office so no names, but this MP did not like the incumbent provincial MPP who had refused to lend his support to him. (I had a lot of respect for this Liberal MPP and had actually voted for him previously). I won't go into the reasons why he didn't support him.

This MP personally handed over to us the Liberal lists they keep, it was huge and contained both provincial and federal names as they do co-operate with each other. We were stunned, he even delivered a pizza with it LOL So, I suppose it's not too far fetched to suggest Liberal lists might have been sold...

[scribblet]

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This entire Robocalls and harassing calls were a group of people thinking they were pulling off a big joke.

And as for your final comment, IMO the two parties affected, the Liberals and the Conservatives both want to obtain the correct answers from Elections Canada.

And one additional note on the matter, I would think the Liberals would do an internal investigation and make their Supporters List names and phone numbers more secure in future elections

I'm beginning to think that it was just that,and has backfired, and certainly the CPC want the correct answers, it's in their best interests to do so.

[olpfan1]

Let me say first off that out of all the contributors to this forum with obvious points of view I do enjoy reading your comments the most as they are by far the most amusing. And it is also good that you post so prolifically so the laughs keep coming one after the other.

But seriously, with regards to your comment in quotes. I realize you have acquired all your investigation skills from the Baltimore TV show The Wire and perhaps The Wire never touched on this issue. But if you are going to do a covert operation and plant undercover people in an opponents operation. Then with the information you gain you DO NOT use it in connection with companies that would directly point back to you. You see if you use the covert information gained with a company connected to yourself or your organization it no longer is covert.

Hey eventually you're gonna get burned if you break the law, whether its Lester Freamon, Jack Bauer discovering your conspiracy

everyone makes mistakes and gets caught

Won't be the first time they've done something like this and got caught

are you familiar with Irwin Cotler?

[waldo]

I will tell you a little personal anecdote...

self-serving personal anecdote dropping anonymous reference/names!

[waldo]

IMO these pranks were carried out by a few immature people who thought it was all a joke.

This entire Robocalls and harassing calls were a group of people thinking they were pulling off a big joke.

it was bad enough that you were dancing around innuendo concerning voter lists... that you're now quite content to pass this most significant event off as some kind of benign, sophomoric, frat-boys prank/joke.....