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[Topaz]

Rae and the Liberals want a Royal Commission into these robocalls and asked for it in the House, which in turn Del Mastro stood up and accused the Liberals of doing it. So Ok, Tories, if you have nothing to hide then support the Liberals and the NDP for this inquiry. Will they do it, likely not. Also, I noticed after visiting all three websites, only the Tories have not put on their site anything about robocalls or trying to find out who did it. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/canews-22424922/rae-demands-royal-commission-into-robocalls-28590332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fcanews-22424922%252Frae-demands-royal-commission-into-robocalls-28590332.html

Edited March 13, 2012 by Topaz

[madmax]

In church the entire day?

Sona and Christian Conservative... were in church all day...

It might be called confession lol...

[madmax]

Also, I noticed after visiting all three websites, only the Tories have not put on their site anything about robocalls or trying to find out who did it. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/canews-22424922/rae-demands-royal-commission-into-robocalls-28590332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fcanews-22424922%252Frae-demands-royal-commission-into-robocalls-28590332.html

Thats very unusual..

[PIK]

Thats very unusual..

They are not ''over the top'' like the rest of them. But if this guy is known, then he can't be a con, I am sure they would have leaked it by now. Could it be someone form the left?

[PIK]

Do you think the most widespread case of election fraud in our country's history is amusing? That there shouldn't be consequences?

Why not hold an election? If you believe the Tories would still win anyway why not agree to call for re elections? or are you scurred

Stuff like this just make the left look so juvenile.

[UofGPolitico]

It will be interesting to see if Turmel leads off QP today with robocalls. I think there is a chance this may be the first QP in 3 weeks she won't. There is the CBC report out last night that civil servants pay outs will cost 2 billion and of course the drug shortages.

Should be interesting.

With word we may not know anything for months or years, this robocall story is losing its legs quick. Not that it still isn't important, and maybe after months and years a bombshell will be dropped, however, more pressing things are emerging as concerns for both the media and the opposition.

[j44]

It will be interesting to see if Turmel leads off QP today with robocalls. I think there is a chance this may be the first QP in 3 weeks she won't. There is the CBC report out last night that civil servants pay outs will cost 2 billion and of course the drug shortages.

Should be interesting.

With word we may not know anything for months or years, this robocall story is losing its legs quick. Not that it still isn't important, and maybe after months and years a bombshell will be dropped, however, more pressing things are emerging as concerns for both the media and the opposition.

Budget is coming too. I'm almost sick of the robocall thing already. It got way too irrational way to fast.

I saw that report. 15 weeks severance for 1 year at the job. And the gov. will fork over 11 grand for education if you want to go back to school.

I also liked how Weston said that the last time this sort of thing happened all the former employees just went back to work as consultants.

How much is this downsizing going to 'save' since it is going to cost 2 billion?

[capricorn]

It will be interesting to see if Turmel leads off QP today with robocalls. I think there is a chance this may be the first QP in 3 weeks she won't. There is the CBC report out last night that civil servants pay outs will cost 2 billion and of course the drug shortages.

Yesterday, on the Air Canada strike issue NDP Yvon Godin accused the government of hating workers. What will he say today about the hefty public servant payouts? That the government is too generous to government workers?

With word we may not know anything for months or years, this robocall story is losing its legs quick.

Especially that EC acknowledged publicly that the majority of the 31,000 contacts they received consisted of form letters generated by an online petition launched by interest groups. They can now filter those out and concentrate on complaints containing facts they can actually investigate.

[capricorn]

Former Conservative Party campaign worker Michael Sona did not meet with Elections Canada on Tuesday and has not posted a YouTube video taking responsibility for the Guelph robocalls, someone close to him said Tuesday.

“He never spoke to Elections Canada yesterday, so whoever spoke to Elections Canada is not him,” said someone who knows him well.

Sources said on the weekend that someone associated with the Guelph Conservative campaign had decided to step forward and accept responsibility for the calls on Monday, after learning that an Internet Protocol address had narrowed the search for the suspect known as “Pierre Poutine” to a single home in Guelph.

Someone who spoke to Sona on Tuesday said that someone else may have gone to Elections Canada, but not him.

“Whoever did, and confessed, it’s not him,” the person said.

Sona is not speaking to reporters on the advice of his lawyer.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Michael+Sona+confessed+Guelph+calls+source/6294431/story.html

A fake video confession was posted on YouTube in which someone falsely claiming to be former Conservative staffer Michael Sona took the fall for the infractions to the Elections Act. Sources who know Mr. Sona told The Globe it was not him on the video and the person making the false confession is obviously not the same Mr. Sona whose pictures adorn the Internet in the company of a number of senior Conservative ministers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/liberals-open-their-robo-call-books-after-fake-confession-surfaces/article2367817/

Someone is working overtime to keep the spotlight on Michael Sona as the culprit behind "Pierre Poutine".

[Shakeyhands]

This is refreshing....

Liberal leader Bob Rae said in a letter to the Commissioner of Canada Elections that the disclosure is the party’s attempt to “assist” the federal agency in its investigation into allegations of illegal vote suppression in the May 2, 2011 vote.

Bob's all about helping the other parties....

[YEGmann]

the author never uses the term suppression

Not true. Please use "search" in the paper.

You claim a legal aspect interference; however, the author categorically states, "It is important to note that my findings in no way can prove whether misconduct or an illegal act has occurred".

You are wrong. Please read what I actually claim.

the author states, "I obtained the list of those ridings that were allegedly targeted for voter demobilization using automated phone calls from the popular press and the online publications on the websites of the Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party".

Do you mean there is no direct link to Bob Rae?!

Citation: "List of 27 electoral districts where Elections Canada received reports of false or misleading phone calls during the 2011 General Election, as released by interim Liberal Party leader Bob Rae on February 26 2012."

Sorry, you are not very good for a discussion.

As for the scientific quality of this paper (not published though,) I am amazed how she managed to avoid providing a single correlation coefficent or R-square in a the work establishing correlation between various factors. I saw no single chart with any scatter of data shown. Her main result - two lines of the "drop in turnout" intersect! This usually means no certain difference.

Edited March 13, 2012 by YEGmann

[madmax]

Now with Sona coming out again and proclaiming he did not Contact Elections Canada...

Who is the Conservative Operative who confessed to Elections Canada...

Any Guesses..

[Newfoundlander]

So now alleged that Rathika Sitsabaiesan may have won election because of voter fraud.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/13/voting-scarborough.html

If the NDP and Liberals feel that by-elections should be held in ridings that were targeted will their MPs step down I wonder? Both Peggy Nash and Gerard Kennedy say their riding was targeted so you would think both would be willing to have a by-election wouldn't you?

[margrace]

shorter PIK: "Oh! Look! A Squirrel!"

I was taught that two wrongs never make a right. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that the Liberal party blew it in not keeping a closer watch on where the money was going. They were a bunch of fat cats that thought they could keep control of their party. Beware of ignoring your electorate.

Now the CPC is using the same tactics, they are ignoring what we, as the electorate want. Harper had an agenda that he is following and he makes it evident that he has no use for the common man. Exatly what killed the Liberals.

It is time that Canadians woke up and really paid attention to what is going on. There is a site Called Straight Goods that lists Harpers agenda. It is called Harper's Goals and it would behove Canadians to pay a little more attention to what this man really wants. He will not allow or will doe everything in his powere to side track any investigation into these Robocalls. If it get too hot he may porogue parliament again and turn his big machine to proving that the other parties are responsible. We must learn from our history, to let this man destroy the Canada that had such a great reputation in the world is our fault. Listen up folks by the time you realize what is going on you will have lost a lot of rights.

Harper does not like our Health system, he does not like our Canada pension system, he cares little for the average person.

[PIK]

I was taught that two wrongs never make a right. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that the Liberal party blew it in not keeping a closer watch on where the money was going. They were a bunch of fat cats that thought they could keep control of their party. Beware of ignoring your electorate.

Now the CPC is using the same tactics, they are ignoring what we, as the electorate want. Harper had an agenda that he is following and he makes it evident that he has no use for the common man. Exatly what killed the Liberals.

It is time that Canadians woke up and really paid attention to what is going on. There is a site Called Straight Goods that lists Harpers agenda. It is called Harper's Goals and it would behove Canadians to pay a little more attention to what this man really wants. He will not allow or will doe everything in his powere to side track any investigation into these Robocalls. If it get too hot he may porogue parliament again and turn his big machine to proving that the other parties are responsible. We must learn from our history, to let this man destroy the Canada that had such a great reputation in the world is our fault. Listen up folks by the time you realize what is going on you will have lost a lot of rights.

Harper does not like our Health system, he does not like our Canada pension system, he cares little for the average person.

This whole thing is now falling part on the left, the MSM blowing everything out of porportion and the left sucking it up. Just like the CBC saying the buyouts will be 2 billion, I will bet the farm it is way under 1 billion. What this has shown is how incompetant the left is and how biased the MSM is. And elections canada , has shown it will follow the letter of the law on some things and then bend it on others. Maybe some good will come out of this and elections canada will be dismantled and rebuilt, so all canadians can trust them And of course the resignation of pat martin, who really showed what a sss he really is and a embarressment to the country and to mankind. Edited March 14, 2012 by PIK

[cybercoma]

will their MPs step down I wonder?

Step down? Have any of the Conservatives stepped down yet?

[Shakeyhands]

So now alleged that Rathika Sitsabaiesan may have won election because of voter fraud.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/13/voting-scarborough.html

If the NDP and Liberals feel that by-elections should be held in ridings that were targeted will their MPs step down I wonder? Both Peggy Nash and Gerard Kennedy say their riding was targeted so you would think both would be willing to have a by-election wouldn't you?

Crazy, further proof that a public inquiry needs to be held to get to the bottom of this. I'd think that any findings that come out of such an inquiry can and ought to be put in to practice as soon as possible so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

We need to clean this mess up and get on with fair elections. God, I never thought I would have to say that, what a sad state of affairs.

[Shakeyhands]

Step down? Have any of the Conservatives stepped down yet?

No one needs to step down at this point. I'm starting to sound like a broken record here but... A full, open, public inquiry is the only way we are going to get to the bottom of this.

[Smallc]

No one needs to step down at this point. I'm starting to sound like a broken record here but... A full, open, public inquiry is the only way we are going to get to the bottom of this.

And I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. As of now, this story seems like less, and less. Why not let the regulators and investigators do their job?

[madmax]

Step down? Have any of the Conservatives stepped down yet?

I am not aware of any Conservatives who "Should" step down at this time.

My problem with the Conservatives is that they are resisting getting to the truth every step of the way.

I don't know why they must be dragged kicking and screaming, when common sense dictates what they should be doing and when they do it..the noise goes down a notch.

It will be a matter of time before a public inquiry or Royal Commission begin.

[Newfoundlander]

Step down? Have any of the Conservatives stepped down yet?

No but I haven't heard them mention the need for by-elections. Peggy Nash has said her riding was targeted and her main opponent has said the same thing, all I'm wondering is if they believe democracy was jeopardized in the riding would Nash be willing to run in a byelection to show that her win was legitimate. Elections Canada will decide if byelections are necessary in certain ridings but you would think if MPs didn't agree they won fairly they'd be willing to run again, MPs of all parties should believe in that.

[madmax]

So now alleged that Rathika Sitsabaiesan may have won election because of voter fraud.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/13/voting-scarborough.html

If the NDP and Liberals feel that by-elections should be held in ridings that were targeted will their MPs step down I wonder? Both Peggy Nash and Gerard Kennedy say their riding was targeted so you would think both would be willing to have a by-election wouldn't you?

I support a PUBLIC Inquiry or Royal Commission.

Then we can target all the Ridings in Question.

Voting Irregularties occur in every election.

However.. I am well aware in my riding... that no one was allowed to vote without an Address and picture ID.

Many government documents were NOT allowed because they failed to have addresses or pictures on them.

I also believe its time we get back to ENUMERATING the voters..

[madmax]

No but I haven't heard them mention the need for by-elections. Peggy Nash has said her riding was targeted and her main opponent has said the same thing, all I'm wondering is if they believe democracy was jeopardized in the riding would Nash be willing to run in a byelection to show that her win was legitimate. Elections Canada will decide if byelections are necessary in certain ridings but you would think if MPs didn't agree they won fairly they'd be willing to run again, MPs of all parties should believe in that.

Gosh, I bet you would like to see Frank Vallerioti run in a by election too..

While Elections Canada has the right to call a "By-Election"

I believe that we are well beyond the "By-Election" and heading towards something serious.

I expect to see some fines... some jail time and even now..

We know that it was a Conservative in Guelph involved in the dirty tricks..

We just don't know how many layers are on the onion.

[Shakeyhands]

And I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. As of now, this story seems like less, and less. Why not let the regulators and investigators do their job?

Because I don't think that EC has the power to get to the bottom, or that the RCMP has the will to.

[Smallc]

Because I don't think that EC has the power to get to the bottom, or that the RCMP has the will to.

In this case, the RCMP will do what EC tells them to do. If Elections Canada thinks there's something to get to the bottom to, they will.