cybercoma Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Posted March 3, 2012 Cos you know how it goes - America bad ergo anyone using anything American is - bad and evil, they where just trying to throw that concept back at those who generally subscribe to that theory. But really, why on earth would someone up to nefarious tricks actually make the call look as if it came from the Conservatives - that doesn't make sense if it's a conservative doing it. You don't think Canadian political parties should try to use Canadian businesses first? I don't like the idea that the Liberals and NDP may have used American calling centres either. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 You don't think Canadian political parties should try to use Canadian businesses first? I don't like the idea that the Liberals and NDP may have used American calling centres either. American presidents / politicians use Canadian made busses (buses?)! Quote
scribblet Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 You don't think Canadian political parties should try to use Canadian businesses first? I don't like the idea that the Liberals and NDP may have used American calling centres either. Sure, but maybe the get a better deal from the U.S., who knows. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Posted March 3, 2012 Sure, but maybe the get a better deal from the U.S., who knows. I'm sure they could get an even better deal from an Indian call centre too. The point is that if you're vying for control of the country, it looks bad when instead of giving jobs to Canadians, you employ foreigners in your campaign. Quote
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 Anyone with time on their hands, check out the Avaaz robo email campaign aimed at Elections Canada/RCMP about the election results and demanding a public inquiry. A window shows the latest five signatures. I just saw one name from Russia and one from Greece. Not surprising since Avaaz is international. It's sad that our institutions will be burdened with "contacts" from foreigners. Their job is hard enough as is. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 Re the above, I just saw one signature "Stephen Harper". Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
UofGPolitico Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 You joined and seemed kind of neutral at first , I was listening to your opinion, thanks for identifying yourself as a tory partisan so i can ignore you. Well, I am not a tory partisan, but no one is forcing you to read mine or anyone's posts so whatever. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 NDP is leading protests in Vancouver and others are being planned across Canada Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 NDP is leading protests in Vancouver and others are being planned across Canada I "Like" Elizabeth May on facebook and she is speaking at a rally on Parliament Hill tomorrow. Whether the Conservatives are guilty of anything or not, the pressure is for sure building. Quote
scribblet Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 No surprise there, they are still peeing their pants at the thought of an election .... it's in their best interest to keep this going, even in the face of no hard evidence. Hmmm who really does stand to gain from all of this. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Boges Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 A Rally for what? There's an investigation ongoing. I can imagine the meltdown we'll have on our hands if EC and the RCMP don't find anything of any substance behind these claims. It'll be like 9/11 truthers, nothing will convince them that the Conservatives didn't cheat. Quote
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 It wouldn't surprise me if an investigation/inquiry shows at least 2 or maybe 3 parties tried to supress opposition voters. We may find out sooner than we think. I totally missed this from the Globe or maybe the original article was updated a few times with new information. Deluged with a staggering volume of grievances about fraudulent calls in the last election, Elections Canada is referring some complainants to another federal regulator – the CRTC – that also has a responsibility to police the country’s phone lines.--- The communications regulator can investigate unsolicited calling activity without court orders. CRTC investigators can enter a company’s premises through the agency’s power of inspection without asking a judge’s permission. They also have the power to demand the production of information, including telephone records, without a warrant. The CRTC said as of Friday it had received no complaints stemming from the 2011 election. It can, however, initiate investigations on its own and a spokesman said it’s not the regulator’s practice to reveal when it has opened a probe. Calls from political parties, under CRTC rules, must identify the identity of the caller, the purpose of the call and why they’re contacting the voter. Richard Schultz, a McGill University professor of political science with an expertise in government regulation, says the file falls within the CRTC’s bailiwick and it has an obligation to investigate. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections-canada-faces-31000-complaints-in-robo-call-probe/article2356455/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2356455 To anyone who thinks Elections Canada and the RCMP don't have the resources to investigate legitimate complaints and will fall under the weight of the number of "contacts", and that includes the NDP, fear not. Heavy artillery has been called in. Given the importance of getting to the bottom of the allegations asap, this is good news. It tells me that our institutions recognize that speed of investigation is of the essence so that Parliament can return to the all important task of managing this country. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
dre Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 We may find out sooner than we think. I totally missed this from the Globe or maybe the original article was updated a few times with new information. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections-canada-faces-31000-complaints-in-robo-call-probe/article2356455/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2356455 To anyone who thinks Elections Canada and the RCMP don't have the resources to investigate legitimate complaints and will fall under the weight of the number of "contacts", and that includes the NDP, fear not. Heavy artillery has been called in. Given the importance of getting to the bottom of the allegations asap, this is good news. It tells me that our institutions recognize that speed of investigation is of the essence so that Parliament can return to the all important task of managing this country. I know! These people are busy folks! Theres potheads to imprison, and all kinds of unmonitored internet communication going on! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 A Rally for what? Just a wild guess here Boges. Could it be...stoking anti-Conservative sentiments? There's an investigation ongoing. Screw the investigation. Today's media reports hundreds marched through Vancouver demanding a public inquiry. Vancouver East MP Libby Davies was there to address the crowd. "We're going to take this issue and we're going to demand and keep demanding for an independent public inquiry until we get to the bottom of this." http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/337315--hundreds-protesting-robocall-scandal-in-downtown-vancouver Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Public Inquiries never do anything. Even Gomery really didn't tell us much we didn't already know. I remember the final Gomery report came a few days after the Liberals were turfed. They had a public inquiry into a PM that had been out of office since 1993 and his dealings with a German criminal WTF did that prove? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) We may find out sooner than we think. I totally missed this from the Globe or maybe the original article was updated a few times with new information. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections-canada-faces-31000-complaints-in-robo-call-probe/article2356455/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2356455 To anyone who thinks Elections Canada and the RCMP don't have the resources to investigate legitimate complaints and will fall under the weight of the number of "contacts", and that includes the NDP, fear not. Heavy artillery has been called in. Given the importance of getting to the bottom of the allegations asap, this is good news. It tells me that our institutions recognize that speed of investigation is of the essence so that Parliament can return to the all important task of managing this country. Pretty simple....just like any poll...take a random sample of 500 and you'll get an idea of how many were genuine "redirect to a fictitious polling booth" calls. In the last election, I got numerous automated calls from Liberal, Conservative and others...and I found them all annoying. It's not relevant how many people have "conmtacted" elections Canada in the last few days - at the frantic urging of the opposition. What's relevant is how many complaints they received during the actual election - and whether that number was extraordinary and "widespread" compared to other elections. Common sense would help put the whole thing in perspective - put it wouldn't sell papers. Edited March 4, 2012 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Boges Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 Pretty simple....just like any poll...take a random sample of 500 and you'll get an idea of how many were genuine "redirect to a fictitious polling booth" calls. In the last election, I got numerous automated calls from Liberal, Conservative and others...and I found them all annoying. It's not relevant how many people have "conmtacted" elections Canada in the last few days - at the frantic urging of the opposition. What's relevant is how many complaints they received during the actual election - and whether that number was extraordinary and "widespread" compared to other elections. Common sense would help put the whole thing in perspective - put it wouldn't sell papers. That's the thing. 9 months after, how is it possible to substantiate these claims? If you really went to a polling station that a robocall directed to you and as a result you didn't vote (first of all you're an idiot for listening to the robocall) wouldn't you be pissed? Wouldn't you take action immediately? 9 months after these 31,000 calls are rather irrelevant. They actually just prove to muddy the waters a lot. Which is exactly what the opposition wants, to drag this out as long as possible. Quote
waldo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 There's an investigation ongoing. I can imagine the meltdown we'll have on our hands if EC and the RCMP don't find anything of any substance behind these claims. It'll be like 9/11 truthers, nothing will convince them that the Conservatives didn't cheat. Public Inquiries never do anything. getting a bit antsy there, hey? Quote
waldo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 It's not relevant how many people have "contacted" elections Canada in the last few days. What's relevant is how many complaints they received during the actual election - and whether that number was extraordinary and "widespread" compared to other elections. whaaa! (Perceived) voter harassment and suppression isn't enough?... now you want to suppress public concern/complaint? Oh my! Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 just let em keep Dean Del Mastro running point! Conservative MPs used U.S.-based telemarketers - Calls masked to hide Ohio origins They really could'nt use a more dense buffoon,could they??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Boges Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) getting a bit antsy there, hey? No, I fully expect this EC/RCMP to come up with very little in the way of election rigging. And if they do find bad stuff happened it's very unlikely it'll have changed the result of the election. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. But it appears the opposition won't stop until they get the answer they want. Why else would the call for an inquiry before the EC investigation is even finished? Edited March 4, 2012 by Boges Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Just a wild guess here Boges. Could it be...stoking anti-Conservative sentiments? http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/337315--hundreds-protesting-robocall-scandal-in-downtown-vancouver As opposed to the stoking the "anti" sentiment of anything not conservative on the Tenycke Channel...er... SunTV? Edited March 4, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
waldo Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 They really could'nt use a more dense buffoon,could they??? Pierre Poliviere perhaps... a slight shift in annoyance versus buffoonery. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 4, 2012 Author Report Posted March 4, 2012 I don't understand some of the conservatives on this forum and the CPC with all of this. The only thing either of those groups should really be saying at this moment is that electoral fraud should not be tolerated and remind the more vocal on the left not to jump to conclusions before EC and the RCMP finish their investigations. Everything outside of this coming from the Right digs the ditch a little bit deeper for them and shows how out of touch with anyone outside their base they really are. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 4, 2012 Report Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Pierre Poliviere perhaps... a slight shift in annoyance versus buffoonery. Yes!! However,it must be pointed out that Ol' Pete was used in the very early days of this "scandal"... Perhaps the "big thinkers" in the Conservative Party felt Poilievre's personal version of Phyla Rodentia was a bit too much too soon? But I agree,Poilievre definately ratchet's up the annoyance factor as opposed to our wonderful car salesman from Peterborough... Waldo,what is it with conservatives and car salesmen? The former Ontario Premier,Frank Miller, was a car salesmen from Parry Sound.In the Harris cabinet,the late Al Palladini (If you're not a Palladini,you're not a pal of mine!) was the Minister of Transport (A pick of the ages for comedians everywhere!)... And now we have ol' Deano!!! Edited March 4, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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