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[Argus]

The robocalling was done in 18 swing ridings... this government is illegitimate

The governor general has to seriously consider calling for another election

[olpfan1]

Do you think the most widespread case of election fraud in our country's history is amusing? That there shouldn't be consequences?

Why not hold an election? If you believe the Tories would still win anyway why not agree to call for re elections? or are you scurred

Edited February 23, 2012 by olpfan1

[mentalfloss]

There's been a lot of talk about recall legislation these days.

I wonder why...

[olpfan1]

Maybe Harper leaked this story to the press because he wanted us to be distracted by this so we forget about Toews & Bil C-30?

Harper has to know nothing will happen as the result of this so that is why he took the gamble

Oh I am on to you Harper

[cybercoma]

Some people should actually READ an article before they get all in a frenzy.

The article and sequence of events are interesting and is a good challenge to unwind. The evidence that the article presented is this:

- A disposable cell phone was purchased and used was registered in the 405 area code which is northeast of Montreal.

- An account was setup, perhaps by credit card, and the account was traced to someone in the East

- An Edmonton Call Center was used to setup the account and to make the calls. The Call Center has 200 account that include the National Conservative Party and 9 Conservative candidates including Harper. To quote the article "There is no evidence that Harper’s campaign or any of the other candidates were involved in the calls."

- Harassing calls and misinformation on voting was sent to 18 ridings across Canada from the Edmonton Call Center on Election Day. It appeared Liberal supporters received the vast majority of these harassing and misleading calls.Most of the ridings targetted were ridings where the Liberal and Conservative candidates were in a close race.

From the evidence presented it is obvious the person(s) wanted to hide their identity. My guess as well is, if a credit card was used to setup the Call Center account, then that credit card number may be a stolen number. That assumption is purely a guess.

The most direct tie to the person(s) involved is the disposable cell phone purchased and registered in the 405 area code near Montreal.

One other interesting fact is what is NOT here. The path goes through Conservative and Liberal ties but nothing at all linked to the NDP. The Liberals and Conservatives are left accusing each other and the NDP are on the sidelines.

Gee, out east... Montreal area?

What else do we know about that?

Wasn't that where the Tories set up their 'Shadow MP'?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/12/07/pol-cp-cotler-shadow-mp.html

[cybercoma]

Has the liberal party contenders ever pay back the money yet, because we all know if the cons were guilty of that ,the papers would still be running the story.

Stay on topic.

[cybercoma]

I just did it to provoke a response for you, my target was within fifteen minutes and you came very close.

This is called trolling. It is against the forum rules.

[Sa'adoni]

Remember the calls that went out on election day telling people their polls had been moved?

Well the firm apparently has links to the Tories.

Of course, the Conservatives are feigning ignorance. They're going to get to the bottom of which campaign worker acted unilaterally to have these calls conducted.

According to the information provided, the company knows whose phone was used, but they arn't releasing that information to the public, the RCMP however does apparently have this info and are have investigated.

The Conservatives appear to be preparing to cast blame for the calls on a young campaign worker

So is that why they hire thousands of 11 year olds each election.

Getting children to do their dirty work for them.

Perhaps conservative campaigns should be monitored ... .... on the internet?

It is a montreal number.

Edited February 23, 2012 by Sa'adoni

[cybercoma]

I'm not sure what people are complaining about here. Politicians lie to people all the time - from all parties. Why is it somehow worse if their campaign workers lie to people?

Sure, assuming a lie is a lie is a lie. You have to admit that calling voters on election day to tell them that their has been moved, when indeed it had not been, is one of the sleaziest most underhanded things ever done. Not only that but lies about what you're going to implement in a budget is orders of magnitude less than interfering with the electoral process.

[Sa'adoni]

Sure, assuming a lie is a lie is a lie. You have to admit that calling voters on election day to tell them that their has been moved, when indeed it had not been, is one of the sleaziest most underhanded things ever done. Not only that but lies about what you're going to implement in a budget is orders of magnitude less than interfering with the electoral process.

I think all you can do is hold byelections in all the ridings that were effected by these calls.

The results in any riding effected should be invalidated.

It would be interesting to see if it could effect the conservative majority.

If 1000 people complained you better believe more than 1000 people were effected.

Some ridings have had very close election results, so these sorts of things could have effected the elections in the ridings called, since they targetted the "hotly contested" riding where a few votes could swing the riding.

There should be byelections.

They've been pulling election frauds every election since 2006, they should be deregistered, their election fraud is habitual.

Arab countries have a better track record.

Edited February 23, 2012 by Sa'adoni

[dre]

I think all you can do is hold byelections in all the ridings that were effected by these calls.

The results in any riding effected should be invalidated.

It would be interesting to see if it could effect the conservative majority.

If 1000 people complained you better believe more than 1000 people were effected.

Some ridings have had very close election results, so these sorts of things could have effected the elections in the ridings called, since they targetted the "hotly contested" riding where a few votes could swing the riding.

There should be byelections.

They've been pulling election frauds every election since 2006, they should be deregistered, their election fraud is habitual.

Arab countries have a better track record.

I absolutely agree. There should be new elections in areas where these calls went out.

[olpfan1]

I absolutely agree. There should be new elections in areas where these calls went out.

Its Harper in charge so don't count on it

I emailed the GG asking him to call for elections in the ridings

we'll see if he has any integrity., this is a national crisis

and its his duty to act

Edited February 23, 2012 by olpfan1

[GostHacked]

Recall the government, and recount the votes. Not that I want another election.... but ... if this one is illegitimate, kick em out ... I mean kick out ALL of them, let's start over ...

Edited February 23, 2012 by GostHacked

[cybercoma]

Recall the government, and recount the votes. Not that I want another election.... but ... if this one is illegitimate, kick em out ... I mean kick out ALL of them, let's start over ...

Call me cynical, but I don't think it would make a damn bit of difference. If people will give a party that is found in contempt of Parliament a majority government less than a year later, then this sure as hell isn't gonig to make a damn bit of difference. The voting public set an abhorrent precedent in the last election.

Edited February 23, 2012 by cybercoma

[GostHacked]

I wonder how the NDP would do the second time around, especially with Nycole Turmel at the helm for the last 7 months. Yeah, I'm for that idea.

Fire the whole lot of them. Liberal, NDP, Conservatives .. ALL of them.

[olpfan1]

cbc confirmed more ridings were robo called, that is 27 now

[olpfan1]

If you were to read the article you posted you would see the disposable cell phone, that is the most direct link to the person(s) alleged to have setup the account to make the calls; the disposable cell phone was registered in the 450 area code in the City of Joliette QC. Joliette, QC. is located 50 km north east of Montreal.

The City of Joliette is in the riding of Joliette. Information on the riding of Joliette is below

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/myelection/ridings/059/

On The Wire the drug dealers would drive 8 hours away sometimes to buy (burners) which are disposable cell phones

They are harder to get wire tapped and once you are done you break the phone and throw it away

This is what crime syndicates do in real life, they drive or fly to a distant city and buy burners

[olpfan1]

on my twitter account

@SusanDelacourt: Holy. Multiple #CPC sources telling @RosieBarton and @PnP_CBC that *one* contractor came up with idea of these #robocalls. #cdnpoli

follow her on twitter for updates

Edited February 23, 2012 by olpfan1

[olpfan1]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2012/02/election-robocall-data-dump---12-conservative-candidates-on-the-2011-racknine-client-list.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Election Robocall Data Dump - 12 Conservative candidates on the 2011 RackNine client list

[olpfan1]

conservatives are stupid, it took people YEARS to discover ad scam but a consevative scandal usually takes less than a year

to uncover

[capricorn]

conservatives are stupid, it took people YEARS to discover ad scam

No. That's a testament to how adept the Liberals were at camouflaging their sins.

but a consevative scandal usually takes less than a year

to uncover

That's because the opposition parties have a lot of time on their hands.

[olpfan1]

you made my point for me capricon, liberals were experts at cover ups, conservatives are not

[Topaz]

Last fall, I was on another political forum and this one person had a very large say of what he thought happen with the election in Toronto. He did mention about people being called about where to vote and that some didn't have time to vote, they went from going from one election center to another. As I read it, I wondered if this was why the Liberals lost many of their majority members in the Toronto areas.

[olpfan1]

Last fall, I was on another political forum and this one person had a very large say of what he thought happen with the election in Toronto. He did mention about people being called about where to vote and that some didn't have time to vote, they went from going from one election center to another. As I read it, I wondered if this was why the Liberals lost many of their majority members in the Toronto areas.

I think so.. some were within a few hundred votes

I know someone who was too frustrated to vote cause a "liberal" kept harrassing him at night

3 or 4 times a week to vote but it ended up being done by the conservatives

and these are cities.. im not gonna take a bus for 2 or 3 hours just to vote

not when a polling station was close to my apartment but was told its closed

and old /sick ppl arent gonna go acrross the city to vote

Edited February 24, 2012 by olpfan1

[Argus]

Do you think the most widespread case of election fraud in our country's history is amusing? That there shouldn't be consequences?

Why not hold an election? If you believe the Tories would still win anyway why not agree to call for re elections? or are you scurred

I assure you I'm not 'scurred'. I have no doubt the Tories would win again, but the point is you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. There's no evidence this had any effect on the election at all.