olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The Australian Labour party crisis has me thinking Lets say the backbenchers get restless and Harper's support within the CPC goes down... who are the most likely candidates to challenge Harper in a leadership vote My obvious choice is Peter MacKay I don't think it'd be Baird, he's too loyal Any opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The Australian Labour party crisis has me thinking Lets say the backbenchers get restless and Harper's support within the CPC goes down... who are the most likely candidates to challenge Harper in a leadership vote My obvious choice is Peter MacKay I don't think it'd be Baird, he's too loyal Any opinions? Michael Ignatieff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Michael Ignatieff What Bob Rae didn't want any of that? (It's only a matter of time before he spans the entire political spectrum right?) This is a stupid thread by a Harper hater. There's no way backbenchers are going to look to stab the PM in the back he's brought Conservatives back from the political wilderness. The only way you'd see this happen is if you saw two factions develop (eg. Team Chretien, Team Martin) There's no evidence that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Brad Trost. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Svend Robbingstores Quote The government should do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 What Bob Rae didn't want any of that? (It's only a matter of time before he spans the entire political spectrum right?) This is a stupid thread by a Harper hater. There's no way backbenchers are going to look to stab the PM in the back he's brought Conservatives back from the political wilderness. The only way you'd see this happen is if you saw two factions develop (eg. Team Chretien, Team Martin) There's no evidence that will happen. I can see it happen..the social conservatives getting tired of gay marriage and abortion all band together and take down harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I can see it happen..the social conservatives getting tired of gay marriage and abortion all band together and take down harper Not if they enjoy staying in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not if they enjoy staying in power. Harper has a tight grip on his party I know...but control freaks as leaders usually end up causing a lot of resentment and hard feelings among the group ..I've seen it first hand, it almost never fails There will be a tipping point sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Harper has a tight grip on his party I know...but control freaks as leaders usually end up causing a lot of resentment and hard feelings among the group ..I've seen it first hand, it almost never fails There will be a tipping point sometime Of course you have no evidence to support the fact that any faction of CPC MP's are unhappy with Harper's leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Of course you have no evidence to support the fact that any faction of CPC MP's are unhappy with Harper's leadership. maybe not yet but maybe in 2 or 3 years, there will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 maybe not yet but maybe in 2 or 3 years, there will be You do this all the time. "I think _______ even though I have zero evidence to support my opinion therefore none of the other members can't debate my opinions. But that OK because it's how I feel and that's all that matters" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) You do this all the time. "I think _______ even though I have zero evidence to support my opinion therefore none of the other members can't debate my opinions. But that OK because it's how I feel and that's all that matters" Read the OP, I offered a hypothetical scenario, do you know what that means? It doesn't mean the situation is currently happening or is even going to happen so why the hell do i need to give you evidence? good god man Edited February 23, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You gave your opinion I just disagreed with it, that is how it goes that is the nature of forums, if you want someone to agree with you go cry to your wife who will agree with you just to shut you up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You gave your opinion I just disagreed with it, that is how it goes that is the nature of forums, if you want someone to agree with you go cry to your wife who will agree with you just to shut you up http://thenextbarstool.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/wtf.jpg The hypothetical nature of the thread is what I find perplexing. It's like if I started a thread hypothetically saying the Quebec faction of the NDP will start their own party with Nationalist aims because it's obvious Bloc voters voted for them in the last election. WTF is there to say about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olpfan1 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 That could be a thread if you wanted it to be, hypothetical situations make the brain think I wouldn't go into your thread and diss it, that is not cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Of course you have no evidence to support the fact that any faction of CPC MP's are unhappy with Harper's leadership. I love being told by outsiders how we (party members) feel about the internal direction of the party……..When PM Harper retires, sometime next decade, the cadre of heir apparents will be lead by the James Moore’s and the Chris Alexander’s……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Lets say the backbenchers get restless and Harper's support within the CPC goes down... who are the most likely candidates to challenge Harper in a leadership vote My obvious choice is Peter MacKay I don't think it'd be Baird, he's too loyal Not that any take down is likely to happen (at least not anytime soon) but the back benchers wont be the ones to do it. And Peter MacKay IMO has zero chance of taking over. He can be a terrible politician (and usually is). He couldn't even hold the PC's together and once the merger was over he let Harper take over and sideline him again and again and he is always in the news for the wrong reasons. And Baird has some things about him that some Conservatives would not.....appreciate. Svend Robbingstores I lol'd. .When PM Harper retires, sometime next decade, the cadre of heir apparents will be lead by the James Moore’s and the Chris Alexander’s……. If my timing is right does this mean you think he will win two more elections? Moore really impresses me in interviews. He manages to come off well in interviews on CBC regarding cutting the CBC. Considering his background I'm less impressed with Alexander. But my impression might be lower because he is the one that always has to try to explain the F-35 fiasco. I assume he's next in line for Baird's job (or MacKay's when Harper is done with him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 If my timing is right does this mean you think he will win two more elections? Yes and no……..I’ll wager that he’ll win the next one (+/- the current Majority), as for the one after that, depends whom the LPC has as leader…….Perhaps a short lived minority or another Majority in which the next leadership race will take place and he’ll leave midway through. Moore really impresses me in interviews. He manages to come off well in interviews on CBC regarding cutting the CBC. I agree, he's the MP of the riding next to my own.....A rising star indeed. Considering his background I'm less impressed with Alexander. But my impression might be lower because he is the one that always has to try to explain the F-35 fiasco. I assume he's next in line for Baird's job (or MacKay's when Harper is done with him). More likely Mackay........He might be shuffled, as a former Crown Prosecutor, into Toews position. I was hoping for Alexander being made MND after the last election. And Baird has some things about him that some Conservatives would not.....appreciate. Just the Social Conservative wing.......I'd like Brison to come home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Of course you have no evidence to support the fact that any faction of CPC MP's are unhappy with Harper's leadership. Brad Trost has been vocal lately. See my sig. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 That could be a thread if you wanted it to be, hypothetical situations make the brain think I wouldn't go into your thread and diss it, that is not cool This thread is a fine thread, fine as barely supporting anything. Still, it seems to support Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Im sure John Baird will likely seek the leadership when it becomes available. Peter Mackay definitely can lead the Conservative party. He's ran for the position already and lost. The Alliance portion of the party wouldnt accept him. Maxime Bernier perhaps? Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Im sure John Baird will likely seek the leadership when it becomes available. Peter Mackay definitely can lead the Conservative party. He's ran for the position already and lost. The Alliance portion of the party wouldnt accept him. Maxime Bernier perhaps? I think you may have a wrong bias here. The idea that the Reform/Alliance was anti-gay was never based in fact. True, there was a small contingent of fundamentalist Christians against the idea but they were always a tiny group within the Party. The CBC and the Toronto Star would always highlight anything bigoted from such people as if it was carved in the Party's Constitution but it was all crap! There were even gays within Reform! I met a couple and found it interesting that they were quite bitter about being labeled with their political views. The visible minorities felt the same way, complaining that whenever a Liberal or especially an NDP supporter knocked on their door that when they saw their face would instantly assume they must support any party but Reform! If they told the door knocker they were Reformers they were always greeted by shock and then like a Black Republican. I can see how they resented such patronizing attitudes. Meanwhile, Reform actually had many more visible minority faces as MPs than any other party, a fact obvious in any camera shot for those watching Question Period. A fact which the MSM consistently ignored. So if Baird gets outed I truly think that few will care! If he failed to win the leadership it would be because of his abilities and nothing else. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 So if Baird gets outed I truly think that few will care! If he failed to win the leadership it would be because of his abilities and nothing else. I never said anything about John Baird being gay. Or about the Reform/Alliance being bigoted. Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) I think you may have a wrong bias here. The idea that the Reform/Alliance was anti-gay was never based in fact. True, there was a small contingent of fundamentalist Christians against the idea but they were always a tiny group within the Party. The CBC and the Toronto Star would always highlight anything bigoted from such people as if it was carved in the Party's Constitution but it was all crap!You're absolutely right, but it highlights a fundamental issue with populism and the Reform Party. There is no mechanism for distinguishing the party's ideas from those kinds of fundamentalists and radicals. The party becomes a vehicle for them, hence it reflects on the party as a whole for allowing those kinds of ideas to flourish within its ranks. At least with the NDP, its members are expected to vote along party lines and to represent the values of the party. The problem with Reform was that the MPs values were the party's values, no matter how distasteful they may have been. That was ultimately the biggest problem Manning face, which undoubtedly expedited the party's demise, regardless of all the positive aspects of the Reform movement. Edited March 17, 2012 by cybercoma Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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