Do you support the internet surveillance bill C-30

[cybercoma]

I know there are a lot of threads on this already, but I'm curious how the forum's opinions poll on these questions.

[Sa'adoni]

Its not strong enough, if we are going in, we should go all in, and get some reality tv contracts out of the bit.

Log all cell phones (and all phones for that matter) all the time by processing for key words and sounds to alert the police to listen in in the event of a potential crime processed by the sound processers.

Make GPS mandatory on all computer systems.

Tap the phone lines and cameras on every street corner. Make the UK a second rate CCTVer.

And do the CRTC some good and natonalize the internet so only .ca domains hosted in Canada are available to Canadians. If web domains want to do business in Canada they should be monitored like the rest of Canadians.

But this police information shouldn`t be shared with the US, like all the other info under the Perimiter security act.

Unless it pertains to US jurisdiction, and that does not include NZ or Iraq.

Every foreign person should have to rent a electronic monitoring device, and put down a security deposit on it too.

Either that or rent a strap on phone with a security deposit with a gps and always on cellphone. They could hire RIM to make them too since the blackberry sales are down.

WIth life in prison hard labour for foreigners breaking the law.

Let Canada stop pedophilia in its tracks.

Malicious hackers who corrupt data or embed trojans on systems should see atleast 10 year jail terms.

Canadians need to understand that leaving net neutrility and giving control of the internet to partisan control freaks has to be done big if it is going to work.

But we also need to completely remove politics from all decisions of policing meaning that the public should directly elect their police not appointments by politicians, and every citizens should have equal powers to the police.

For instance if police can view videos or monitor internet traffic the citizens should be able to also.

So any data police can view, people should be able to view also.

If we are going to get naked we should all get naked at the same time. It will revolutionize communication and bring us in touch with one another again in intimate environments.

Facebook (an american company) will no longer be required as Canada will be one big electronic facebook.

Why only let police friends you?

Give people panic buttons and encourage concealed carry while we are at it.

Lets enter the future today.

Enter the future, stop pedophilia.

With all our kids having cell phones too including infants, how will pedaphilia be accomplished if we send the swat team and SOF whenever a phone system is off outside the authorized recharging zones?

Remember it is us or them.

Fear will keep them inline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUDrs8IYevM

Edited February 21, 2012 by Sa'adoni

[olpfan1]

I can't tell whether you are joking or not Sa'adoni

[Sa'adoni]

I can't tell whether you are joking or not Sa'adoni

perhaps we can input nano solid state transmitters into every cpu to transmit computer functions while we are at it.

What we do is just turn up the RF on every chip in Canada and turn our telephone wires into receivers.

http://lambda-diode.com/electronics/tempest/

http://www.eurotech-inc.com/embedded-Atom-SBC.asp

what we do is just measure the minute RF modulation caused by harmonics from the systems on the harmonic freqeuncies of the energy in the power lines.. conver that via digital and suddently we can monitor every electronic device in the country.

Once we get chips into people, we can use his same techonology on humans!

We can use interferance as a means of monitoring.

http://www.magnetic-shield.com/faq/interference.html

If the internet is lost Pedaphiles may turn to covert means WE MUST COLLECT ALL RADIO WAVES! ALL DATA. WE MUST STOP THE MONSTERS!

We can also make AI's to disiminate this data and give them drones to control to investigate that are like locusts...These drones could even be used for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking

we can call it CWW for CWW is not anonymous.

Vic you with me!

I SAiD....

V (ic) ARE YOU WITH ME!

United we standed. Divided is a minority. BUT WE CAN STOP THE FALL.

Come on everyone lets fight pedofilia together!

AND YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A WARRANT RADIO WAVES ARE PUBLIC!

Even humans are walking transmitters already including brains..

the trick is finding the decryption key for sensory analog data.

http://universe-review.ca/R10-16-ANS.htm

The grasshopper's nervous system is controlled by ganglia, loose groups of nerve cells which are found in most species more advanced than cnidarians. In grasshoppers, there are ganglia in each segment as well as a larger set in the head, which are considered the brain. There is also a neuropile in the centre, through which all ganglia channel signals. The sense organs (sensory neurons) are found near the exterior of the body and consist of tiny hairs (sensilla), which consist of one sense cell and one nerve fibre, which are each specially calibrated to respond to a certain stimulus. While the sensilla are found all over the body, they are most dense on the antennae, palps (part of the mouth), and cerci (near the posterior). Grasshoppers also have tympanal organs for sound reception. Both these and the sensilla are linked to the brain via the neuropile

Not only are our TV sets remote viewable, but so are we.

No warrant required. Some voices can't be quiet, our inner voice always speaks.

http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about4476.html

JOIN THE WAR!

Join the FUTURE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading

hold on... voice,... now vision, hearing....

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/74326.html

Edited February 21, 2012 by Sa'adoni

[Tilter]

Darn that government---- how's a poor terrorist expected to make a living (or dying) with all these guys listening to every plan we ever make?

I don't see the big deal some people are making about this. If a person is not doing the crime on the I/net they have nothing to worry about--- if they are--- good the cops'll gettum

[dre]

Darn that government---- how's a poor terrorist expected to make a living (or dying) with all these guys listening to every plan we ever make?

My god...

[GostHacked]

Darn that government---- how's a poor terrorist expected to make a living (or dying) with all these guys listening to every plan we ever make?

I don't see the big deal some people are making about this. If a person is not doing the crime on the I/net they have nothing to worry about--- if they are--- good the cops'll gettum

If you are not doing anything wrong, why is the government wanting to monitor everything you do? People who usually take this stance have no problem until they get caught up in it when they have not done anything wrong. People get charged and jailed for crimes they have not committed. I don't trust this system to say that the information and the methods of obtaining the information won't be abused.

You want to see how this is going to play out? Go talk to Britain with their CCTV cameras and now 'Minority Report' style advertising at bus stops. Talk to the USA and see how that is working out for them.

It's about power and control, over everything you do in your life. Welcome to the rat maze. If you are good, you will get a nugget of food for good behaviour.

Edited February 21, 2012 by GostHacked

[fellowtraveller]

Once we get chips into people, we can use his same techonology on humans!

"Once"?

Ever notice how every newborn since 1987 has a tiny scar and little bump at the base of the skull?

Haven't noticed? Then your own programming is current.

[DogOnPorch]

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

[fellowtraveller]

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

The collaborators always reveal themselves.

[Topaz]

One part of the Bill said the MINISTER could sign the INSPECTORS. There should be heavy penalties for whoever is sign to do the spying. After, the person is human and they could spy on anyone they know also. Sure its a matter of trust but look how the government has treated the Vets and their personal records. IF the elitist of the world want the leaders of all the countries to bring this into law, then the government will do it and spy without our knowledge.

[DogOnPorch]

The collaborators always reveal themselves.

It's called 'The Simpsons'. It has been on for a while now. Check 'er out.

Edited February 21, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Sa'adoni]

If you are not doing anything wrong, why is the government wanting to monitor everything you do? People who usually take this stance have no problem until they get caught up in it when they have not done anything wrong. People get charged and jailed for crimes they have not committed. I don't trust this system to say that the information and the methods of obtaining the information won't be abused.

You want to see how this is going to play out? Go talk to Britain with their CCTV cameras and now 'Minority Report' style advertising at bus stops. Talk to the USA and see how that is working out for them.

It's about power and control, over everything you do in your life. Welcome to the rat maze. If you are good, you will get a nugget of food for good behaviour.

Heck there is even IA. Trust No One.

[dre]

Even just the fact that 5 out of 15 voters in the poll are on board with this way of thinking is utterly terrifying. Embarassing really.

[Guest Manny]

Even just the fact that 5 out of 15 voters in the poll are on board with this way of thinking is utterly terrifying. Embarassing really.

Agreed. Let's ask to have their identities revealed...

[dre]

Agreed. Let's ask to have their identities revealed...

Yup. And if they dont consent to their identities being revealed we can just contact their ISP

[fellowtraveller]

It's called 'The Simpsons'. It has been on for a while now. Check 'er out.

Yeah, been there. My joke was a riff on same. Try to keep up.

[Topaz]

The question of cost for this and today the report is 20 Bil.yearly for 4 years and I don't think the ISP can afford that and consumers can't afford it, so who is going to pay for this? Perhaps reduce the MP's pensions, some benefits etc. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/22/pol-lawful-access-costs.html

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah, been there. My joke was a riff on same. Try to keep up.

I was unaware that 'The collaborators always reveal themselves.' is a Simpsons quote. Which episode? For the record, I voted: No, No.

[GostHacked]

And now us taxpayers are going to be stuck paying for this draconian system .... to the tune of 80 million..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/22/pol-lawful-access-costs.html

It's going to cost at least $80 million to implement the government's lawful access bill to force internet service providers to collect customer information in case police need it for an investigation, CBC News has learned.

C-30, a bill to update Canadian law when it comes to crimes committed online, will cost $20 million a year for the first four years and $6.7 million a year after that, Public Safety Canada told the CBC's Hannah Thibedeau on Wednesday.

We got another 'long gun registry' boondogle in the works here folks.

[olpfan1]

Harper is commiting political suicide here.. let him do it

btw this isn't like LGR.. most liberals supported it (not me though)

mostly nobody supports this

[GostHacked]

Harper is commiting political suicide here.. let him do it

btw this isn't like LGR.. most liberals supported it (not me though)

mostly nobody supports this

Maybe they thought they would get more support if they are dealing with international terrorism (aka south of the 49th) instead of child exploitation.

I guess Canadians are seeing through this scam either way.

[punked]

And now us taxpayers are going to be stuck paying for this draconian system .... to the tune of 80 million..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/22/pol-lawful-access-costs.html

We got another 'long gun registry' boondogle in the works here folks.

80 million is a low estimate that doesn't even look at what it will cost private ISPs to follow the law. This will cost money every year we are talking Billions in the long run and we will all pay the price in higher Internet prices or slower Internet as less is invested in info-structure. What a bad bad bad idea.

[GostHacked]

80 million is a low estimate that doesn't even look at what it will cost private ISPs to follow the law. This will cost money every year we are talking Billions in the long run and we will all pay the price in higher Internet prices or slower Internet as less is invested in info-structure. What a bad bad bad idea.

Of course it will go up. These idiots love to low ball everything. We can look at the cost of the F-35 project for evidence of just that. I think you are right, it will double, triple or quadruple. Some of the comments are good to note. One mentions about the cost the ISPs now have to incure to come into line with this legislation. That is going to be passed on to the consumer in higher access fees to pay for all this. So we are payuing for it twice. Once with taxes and once to the ISP because of the upgrades they are forced to do for compliance.

This is not just an effort by the Canadian Government, this has happened or is happening in many countries around the world.

[dre]

And now us taxpayers are going to be stuck paying for this draconian system .... to the tune of 80 million..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/22/pol-lawful-access-costs.html

We got another 'long gun registry' boondogle in the works here folks.

Way worse. Storing form based info on a few million guns was a tiny project compared to this.