waldo Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Like I said: unsubstantiated theory. like I said: word on the street Quote
cybercoma Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 I don't quite understand the direct relevance. I think that sadly is the only reason behind any issue that's made out of this. They go together. Attawapiskat is in the media, putting the government under the public's eye for every little thing they do with the First Nations right now. Quote
Tilter Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Again Harper made a promise to another group of Canadians, and again a promise broken. He said he would have a summit with the FN and now we have him there at the opening and then taking off for Switerland. Harper knew he had to go to Europe so why plan a summit if he knew about Europe? Harper NEVER planned to have anything to do with the summit and that's why we will probably have more problems with the FN and the blame in with the government. Harper also doesn't like First Ministers summits and its looking like Harper is only PM to give Western Canada the best opportunities, excluding the FN. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/first-nations-chiefs-angry-over-harper-decision-duck-213725372.html He's learning from McPremier Quote
Tilter Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Harper is not the government (despite the misnomer "Harper Government"!). It's so odd that people go on about democratic deficit while simultaneously treating the prime minister like an absolute monarch. Can you substantiate that with any actual evidence? Because the link you provided actually indicates otherwise. [ed.: c/e] That's easy to answer--- it's because Topaz said so Quote
Tilter Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) I can lead you through the short-walk inference... if you'd like. Harper canned the Kelowna Accord; Harper is sensitive to the long-standing criticism over his decision to can the Kelowna Accord; Harper recognizes the meeting will most certainly channel back to his canning of the Kelowna Accord; Harper wishes to save face; Harper, effectively, skirts the meeting. When a group of addled idiots gives away the farm cooler heads must prevail. By the way, the last thing I heard about the meeting (today's news) was that Harper will attend one day and that there will be ample representation from the Federal Governing body. Edited January 23, 2012 by Tilter Quote
PIK Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 I wonder if harper did not win, would the libs have paid that 5b to the accord and how would they handle the kyoto mess they got us in. Harper did the right thing, in getting rid of both. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
capricorn Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 the last thing I heard about the meeting (today's news) was that Harper will attend one day and that there will be ample representation from the Federal Governing body. And that seems to suit Atleo just fine. The FN meeting is to open discussions with the Crown. On his own, Harper is not representative of the Crown. The Chiefs will be mingling with Ministers and even the GG will be involved. Harper's full time attendance is not required. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
g_bambino Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 What if Harper called a FN meeting and the FN Chiefs sent only their deputies? The other ministers of the Crown are not Harper's "deputies". Quote
g_bambino Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 like I said: word on the street Only if by "word on the street" you mean you uttering your opinion out on the street. Quote
g_bambino Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 They go together. Attawapiskat is in the media, putting the government under the public's eye for every little thing they do with the First Nations right now. Perhaps. Though, it seems to me that there were plans for changes in regards to First Nations governance before Attawapiskat became the media darling. I don't and can't say that for certain; but, things like a First Nations education system and land ownership seem too complex to formulate in a few short weeks. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Quite the collection of unsubstantiated theories flying around here. And only four or five posts in and Godwin's Law is already fulfilled. It's almost impressive. You are worse than Hitler too. Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 like I said: word on the street Sorry, I meant to say 'word on the avenue'. That's where I heard that the ICC was going to charge Harper for his war crimes. What is the word from the intersection of the street and avenue? Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 I wonder if harper did not win, would the libs have paid that 5b to the accord and how would they handle the kyoto mess they got us in. Harper did the right thing, in getting rid of both. The Libs would have done what they did with Kyoto from day one: flap their gums and absolutely positively nothing else. It could never be implemented without breaking the back of the economy, which they knew from day one. That is doubly true now. Oh, unless we rely on the green manufacturing initiatives of the Ontario manufacturing juggernaut. Yeah, that would do it. Quote The government should do something.
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Topaz Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Posted January 24, 2012 13 years of a chretien goverment and how many years he was at the indian affairs, and now harper is trying to clean up the mess. What did chretien ever do in politics. Everything harper deals with is stuff the libs ignored. You should be embaressed topaz, so you should join us with the Harper Goverment, the goverment that gets things done. The only thing Harper gets done are the things that don't matter to the greater percentage of Canadians and it should be YOU that should be embarrassed in which HE is taking this country and how is Canada is looked upon by other countries oustide of the US. Quote
Topaz Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Posted January 24, 2012 Well, it seems Harper WILL meet with the FN chiefs after all, must have read this forum. My point is, he calls the meeting with the FN and then he leaves for Europe and it was the PM that they wanted to talk to NOT the minister in charge. The FN knows its Harper that tells the ministers what to say and do It's like making a call and getting voice mail. Quote
Brijohlaw Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Sure. So, why then the hooplah about Harper's "early" departure when there will be "around a dozen cabinet ministers" there, anyway? First nations people get more personal access to our government an any one in the history of our nation. There is talk about self government but when money that was issued is blown by chiefs who bye the way make more money the the president of the United States. This is the biggest scam thats costing taxpayers dearly. Maybe Harper is not chickening out but sending a message that its time to face reality and start useing the money to help your own people. Things always come to a end and its time to show some repect also because Harper represents the people of Canada who gave him a majority and not a mandate to throw our taxpayers money so a few can live like royality and watch there own people suffer then blame the very people who gave yous the money in the first place. Quote
Brijohlaw Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 The other ministers of the Crown are not Harper's "deputies". Harper would probably be relieved. Quote
Brijohlaw Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 The only thing Harper gets done are the things that don't matter to the greater percentage of Canadians and it should be YOU that should be embarrassed in which HE is taking this country and how is Canada is looked upon by other countries oustide of the US. Personally why should we care what other countries think they will never dictate Canadian policy ever. Quote
g_bambino Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 it was the PM that they wanted to talk to NOT the minister in charge. That's their mistake, then, isn't it? Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Perhaps. Though, it seems to me that there were plans for changes in regards to First Nations governance before Attawapiskat became the media darling. I don't and can't say that for certain; but, things like a First Nations education system and land ownership seem too complex to formulate in a few short weeks. Of course, but I was answering your question as to "why the hooplah about Harper's early departure." Quote
Smallc Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Sorry, I meant to say 'word on the avenue'. That's where I heard that the ICC was going to charge Harper for his war crimes. What is the word from the intersection of the street and avenue? You should hear the word on the boulevard. Quote
Brijohlaw Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Harper is worse than Hitler. Word on the street is that he has to travel to Europe with a large security contingent to fend off being picked up and jailed by the International Crimninal Court for his many war crimes. Give your head a shake worse than Hitler now you are showing how little you know about politics and nationalistic Governments. Quote
Tilter Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 First nations people get more personal access to our government an any one in the history of our nation. There is talk about self government but when money that was issued is blown by chiefs who bye the way make more money the the president of the United States. This is the biggest scam thats costing taxpayers dearly. Maybe Harper is not chickening out but sending a message that its time to face reality and start useing the money to help your own people. Things always come to a end and its time to show some repect also because Harper represents the people of Canada who gave him a majority and not a mandate to throw our taxpayers money so a few can live like royality and watch there own people suffer then blame the very people who gave yous the money in the first place. Gotta cheer for this one Quote
Tilter Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) And that seems to suit Atleo just fine. The FN meeting is to open discussions with the Crown. On his own, Harper is not representative of the Crown. The Chiefs will be mingling with Ministers and even the GG will be involved. Harper's full time attendance is not required. This is the best news that Canadians have ever heard----- Let the Queen come over & fix the toilets at Attawapiscat Edited January 24, 2012 by Tilter Quote
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