Liberals have not changed.

[Tilter]

Harper's probably pissed she defected to the Liberals and not to him like David Emmerson did...

Liberals, Conservatives same shit, different name.

the NDP turncoat is in the perfect home--- she will buddy up with the other traitor from the NDP--- Mr flipflop Rae

[Tilter]

I don't think those really count as 'screw ups' as you stated in the thread title.

The right of a member to cross the floor is well established in the Westminster Parliamentary system. And given the fact that the Conservatives have benefited from people crossing the floor, its kind of hard to criticize the liberals for it.

At worst, they gain a member who may not get re-elected next election. At best, they can at least say "Look! the NDP was just a blip and people are coming back to us."

Keep in mind that "protecting Canada and its Citizens" is a pretty broad term. Its possible that 2 people may both be acting in what they think is the best interest of the country, but still come down on different sides of the issue.

Issues related to energy production are complex... environmental issues, short AND long term economic plans can and do conflict.

does

short AND long term economic plans can and do conflict.

mean that it's OK to buy GREEN hydro power for 78 cents per KW and then sell it to the Hydro user for 10 cents /KWH as long as it's approved by an idiot McPremier that can't add or subtract?

Issues related to energy production are complex... environmental issues

If he can't see that hydro will lose money on this deal does that mean he's ready to become a Federal liberal, one with the same fiscal acumen as the present temp serving at the high point in his political career as the temporary leader of a dead in the water Political party?

[Bryan]

Tell us ,what did Harper say about appointing Senators when he sat across the aisle?

He said he wanted elected senators. He told the provinces to get one with electing them, and except for Alberta, they haven't. He even left senate vacancies open for a while, but eventually they had to be filled. Those who were elected got their elected positions.

[August1991]

Gawd. Whadda thread.

Now I hear they want mark carney to run for the leadership, there they go again, lets try and pick a sure thing...

That's the first time that I've heard that suggestion.

Then again, it almost makes sense. I don't think that he'd be leader but I can see Carney running as a Liberal MP to be a cabinet minister.

It's not a secret that the constitution reguires the appointment of senators, completely regardless of whether they were elected or not, in order to keep the upper chamber's membership at 105.

And it's no secret that the Constitution requires the appointment of Prime Ministers, completely regardless of whether they were elected or not...

There is Constitution, and there is convention.

Edited January 13, 2012 by August1991

[g_bambino]

Didn't think PET was especially pro-monarchy?

He came around near the end. It is he, after all, we have to thank for the permanence of the Crown in this country.

[g_bambino]

There is Constitution, and there is convention.

And there is a non-sequitur.

[August1991]

And there is a non-sequitur.

Non-sequitur? Please explain the distinction between our Constitution and our convention, between our Civil Code and our common law.

We Canadians are a hybrid: no size fits all. As I repeat to my friends and to myself, thankfully we live in a federal state. At the risk of sounding like Ignatieff: Canada lets people be what we are.

Edited January 13, 2012 by August1991

[punked]

Like the PC's would have done?

Sure..sure...

The NDP would have, it is party policy if you want to switch you got to run in a bi-election to do so.

[g_bambino]

Non-sequitur?

Yes, a non-sequitur: "there is constitution, and there is convention" is a statement of the obvious that contributes nothing to the thread. The written part of the constitution requires that the governor general appoint senators so as to keep the membership of the upper chamber at 105, and, by convention, the governor general makes such appointments on the advice of the prime minister. Hence, Harper can't ignore Senate appointments, leaving an ever-increasing number of seats therein vacant, until a province happens to elect a senatorial candidate. And he should've known that before making the false promise to never put forward for appointment to the Senate the name of an unelected individual.

On the other hand, perhaps he knew the promise could never be fulfilled but uttered it, anyway, for political gain and later blamed his inability to live up to what he said on that meddlesome opposition. It'd be tough for him to explain why he hasn't started to hold to his promise now that he has a majority, though.

[Newfoundlander]

Same old Liberals have accepted resolutions on using a preferential ballot in federal elections and legalizing and regulating marijuana.

[punked]

Same old Liberals have accepted resolutions on using a preferential ballot in federal elections and legalizing and regulating marijuana.

But they haven't really. They will get a new leader and pass a resolution to make all his ideas party ideas and he will take back both those promises with that power, just like they did with Iggy. No one is buying it. You guys have a history of doing this it isn't something new.

[Tilter]

But they haven't really. They will get a new leader and pass a resolution to make all his ideas party ideas and he will take back both those promises with that power, just like they did with Iggy. No one is buying it. You guys have a history of doing this it isn't something new.

And if Copps gets elected as the new party prexi the old will be new again & the new new will not exist.

[punked]

And if Copps gets elected as the new party prexi the old will be new again & the new new will not exist.

She didn't Mike Crawly? Won. Doesn't matter though all they talked about at the Convention is what would or wouldn't get headlines. No Economic policy no real reform to the party. It was the best policy convention the Liberals have had in the last 50 years and yet they really did nothing. It was nothing like an NDP convention I'll tell you that.

[Newfoundlander]

But they haven't really. They will get a new leader and pass a resolution to make all his ideas party ideas and he will take back both those promises with that power, just like they did with Iggy. No one is buying it. You guys have a history of doing this it isn't something new.

Nothing to do with me.

The holier than thou NDP can do the same thing with policies.

[Newfoundlander]

She didn't Mike Crawly? Won. Doesn't matter though all they talked about at the Convention is what would or wouldn't get headlines. No Economic policy no real reform to the party. It was the best policy convention the Liberals have had in the last 50 years and yet they really did nothing. It was nothing like an NDP convention I'll tell you that.

You mean because the NDP couldn't get people out to there's?

[punked]

You mean because the NDP couldn't get people out to there's?

We will see I believe there is a Convention in a few Months lets see how many votes are cast.

Edited January 15, 2012 by punked

[Mr.Canada]

Thank you for the reply.

The Conservatives had to change their ways to get elected. I imagine both other parties know...oh wait I doubt the NDP do,they need to change to become electable.

No diff than when Harper was sitting on the other side.

I agree whoelheartedly that a strong opposition is needed. However, I dont thihnk Harper feels that way.

I for one would like to see no opposition and have the Conservatives running a stronger right wing government. I am in favor of a right wing totalitarian government. Many in Canada are not it seems so we have to put up wishy washy politics. No one electable party in Canada is very extreme not even the NDP. Which is a shame I'd rather have an extreme party in power right or left.

[Michael Hardner]

I for one would like to see no opposition and have the Conservatives running a stronger right wing government. I am in favor of a right wing totalitarian government. Many in Canada are not it seems so we have to put up wishy washy politics. No one electable party in Canada is very extreme not even the NDP. Which is a shame I'd rather have an extreme party in power right or left.

Many are NOT in favor of a right wing totalitarian govt?

You don't say...