Iran, such kidders!

[bud]

That's the difference between a civilized society and that of Iran. We would only prosecute someone as an Iranian spy if we had evidence and would then charge him and try to prove it in a court of law.

really?

tell that to the people who are under indefinite detention in both canada and u.s.

we're not as civilized as you want to think we are.

[bud]

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

really now?

which american has been stoned to death or had his head 'logged off'?

you, sharkman and a few others need to learn to stop talking out of your asses. you are an embarrassment.

Edited January 10, 2012 by bud

[sharkman]

Yep, it's pretty hard to trust Iran when they arrest, accuse and throw hikers in the slammer.

[bud]

Yep, it's pretty hard to trust Iran when they arrest, accuse and throw hikers in the slammer.

then they stone them to death and then log their heads off and then feed on their hearts!

those iranians are crazy! they will attack us all! fear! sky! falling! attack them! bomb them! i wet my pants! omg! iran! ahmadinejad! sharia! omg! iran! iranians! everyone fear!

[GostHacked]

Well, we can't know they were CIA for sure, GH. Of course they could be, but people DO go back to visit relatives or for business reasons!

Sure people go back to visit. If it was one or two I might agree with you. But back in November there were 12 people caught. Not to mention the US already admitted they were in fact CIA.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cia-spies-caught-fear-execution-middle-east/story?id=14994428#.TwyqZoEkR8E

In a significant failure for the United States in the Mideast, more than a dozen spies working for the CIA in Iran and Lebanon have been caught and the U.S. government fears they will be or have been executed, according to four current and former U.S. officials with connections to the intelligence community.

The biggest problem is we can't take Iran's word for who is a spy. They call anyone they feel like a spy! Especially right now, when they want things to throw back at the Americans as counter propaganda.

That's the difference between a civilized society and that of Iran. We would only prosecute someone as an Iranian spy if we had evidence and would then charge him and try to prove it in a court of law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition_by_the_United_States

The United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) runs a global abduction and internment operation of suspected terrorists, known as “extraordinary rendition”, which since 2001 has captured an estimated 3,000 people and transported them around the world.[8][9][10][11] While the Obama administration has tried to distance itself from some of the harshest counterterrorism techniques, it has also said that at least some forms of renditions will continue.[12] Currently the administration continues to allow rendition only "to a country with jurisdiction over that individual (for prosecution of that individual)" when there is a diplomatic assurance "that they will not be treated inhumanely."[13][14] Prior to the Obama administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by the receiving states, and it has been alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the United States and the United Kingdom.[6] Condoleezza Rice, then United States Secretary of State, said in an April 2006 radio interview that the United States does not transfer people to places where it is known they will be tortured.[1][15][16]

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

Of course, they would beat him first, in order to make him confess!

So again, we simply don't know for sure.

Actually, I have shown that we do know.

[sharkman]

really now?

which american has been stoned to death or had his head 'logged off'?

you, sharkman and a few others need to learn to stop talking out of your asses. you are an embarrassment.

I talk out of my ass, and am an embarrassment, this coming from the guy who says this:

then they stone them to death and then log their heads off and then feed on their hearts!

those iranians are crazy! they will attack us all! fear! sky! falling! attack them! bomb them! i wet my pants! omg! iran! ahmadinejad! sharia! omg! iran! iranians! everyone fear!

Sorry, but it's so obvious that you've got some serious issues, talk about embarrassisng yourself. But keep it up, you are single handedly showing the rest of us how the leftwing likes to debate with nothing but troller efforts.

[bud]

I talk out of my ass, and am an embarrassment, this coming from the guy who says this:

Sorry, but it's so obvious that you've got some serious issues, talk about embarrassisng yourself. But keep it up, you are single handedly showing the rest of us how the leftwing likes to debate with nothing but troller efforts.

my comment was a response to wild bill's comment: Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

he, just like you, makes comments that are untrue.

are you interested in the truth or are you interested in driving home an agenda by any means possible? don't allow your jewishness get in the way of being honest.

[Wild Bill]

Actually, I have shown that we do know.

No, you have shown that most of them have proved to be such. You have not proven that THIS specific person is indeed a CIA spy!

This is my point. The fact that there are lots of burglars in a neighbourhood doesn't mean that you can grab any person there you like and brand him as such. He may be innocent. Guilt needs to be proven. If 9 out of 10 are spies is that sufficient justification to hang all 10?

[bud]

No, you have shown that most of them have proved to be such. You have not proven that THIS specific person is indeed a CIA spy!

suddenly wild bill is about accuracy and proof. even after making this comment:

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

you are an embarrassment.

[prairiechickin]

suddenly wild bill is about accuracy and proof. even after making this comment:

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

you are an embarrassment.

I'm too lazy to look up her name, but wasn't there a Canadian journalist accused of being a spy, then beaten to death by Iranian authorities a few years ago? I don't think Wild Bill is that far off the mark.

[GostHacked]

No, you have shown that most of them have proved to be such. You have not proven that THIS specific person is indeed a CIA spy!

This is my point. The fact that there are lots of burglars in a neighbourhood doesn't mean that you can grab any person there you like and brand him as such. He may be innocent. Guilt needs to be proven. If 9 out of 10 are spies is that sufficient justification to hang all 10?

Remember this the next time the USA or other countries do extraordinary rendition. You can't have it both ways.

[bud]

I'm too lazy to look up her name, but wasn't there a Canadian journalist accused of being a spy, then beaten to death by Iranian authorities a few years ago? I don't think Wild Bill is that far off the mark.

was she stoned to death and then her head logged off?

[sharkman]

And I've already referenced the american hikers that they arrested and held for months, or was it over a year?

BTW Bud, I'm not jewish, and you referencing my jewishness is immature. You shouldn't care what a person's race, culture or religion is anyway, but since you obviously do it speaks volumes about your bigotry.

[prairiechickin]

was she stoned to death and then her head logged off?

No, tortured to death over many days as I recall. Stoning or beheading would have been quicker and more merciful.

[Wild Bill]

was she stoned to death and then her head logged off?

No, it was a little different. Here's a wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi

"Zahra "Ziba" Kazemi-Ahmadabadi (زهرا کاظمی احمدآبادی in Persian)‎ (1949 – July 11, 2003) was an Iranian-Canadian freelance photographer, residing in Montreal, Canada, who died in the custody of Iranian officials following her arrest.

Although Iranian authorities insist that her death was accidental and that she died of a stroke while being interrogated, Shahram Azam, a former military staff physician who used his purported knowledge of Kazemi's case for seeking asylum in Canada in 2004, has stated that he examined Kazemi's body and observed that Kazemi showed obvious signs of torture, including a skull fracture, broken nose, signs of rape and severe abdominal bruising. Iranian officials claimed that Azam had been afflicted with mental health issues and that he had been discharged before Kazemi's death.

Her death was the first time an Iranian's death in custody attracted major international attention.[2] Because of her joint citizenship and the circumstances of her death, she has since become an international cause célèbre. In November 2003, Canadian Journalists for Free Expression honoured Kazemi with the Tara Singh Hayer Memorial Award in recognition of her courage in defending the right to free expression."

So you're right about no apparent stoning and her head was not "logged off" (I actually said 'lopped off'. Are you saying her head was disconnected from the Internet?)

Still, she's just as dead and if you believe the Iranian cover story then perhaps you have brain death yourself.

[bud]

So you're right about no apparent stoning and her head was not "logged off"

okay. thanks for finally admitting that you were just making another 'wild' comment about how iran routinely captures americans and then stones them to death or cuts off their heads.

i recommend sticking with the facts and not make comments like this:

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

especially when you want to attack people about getting their facts straight like the following comment:

No, you have shown that most of them have proved to be such. You have not proven that THIS specific person is indeed a CIA spy!

Edited January 11, 2012 by bud

[Wild Bill]

okay. thanks for finally admitting that you were just making another 'wild' comment about how iran routinely captures americans and then stones them to death or cuts off their heads.

i recommend sticking with the facts and not make comments like this:

Iran would simply grab the first American they could find and stone him to death! Or lop off his head.

especially when you want to attack people about getting their facts straight like the following comment:

No, you have shown that most of them have proved to be such. You have not proven that THIS specific person is indeed a CIA spy!

You seem to have an interesting sense of perspective. You remind me of the man who yells "The Jews are a bunch of liars! I have proof that it wasn't 6 million killed in the gas chambers! It was only 5 million!"

[bud]

You seem to have an interesting sense of perspective. You remind me of the man who yells "The Jews are a bunch of liars! I have proof that it wasn't 6 million killed in the gas chambers! It was only 5 million!"

i point out your blatant hypocrisy and dishonesty and you reply with a nonsensical comment. oh and, oh my god, you actually used the holocaust in your reply. lols.

Edited January 12, 2012 by bud

[bush_cheney2004]

Good news and bad news for Iran:

Good: The USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did not return to the Gulf...

Bad: ...because it's the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)'s turn on station!

http://news.yahoo.com/u-aircraft-carrier-enters-gulf-without-incident-222123207.html

Edited January 22, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest Derek L]

Good news and bad news for Iran:

Good: The USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) did not return to the Gulf...

Bad: ...because it's the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72)'s turn on station!

http://news.yahoo.com/u-aircraft-carrier-enters-gulf-without-incident-222123207.html

And the Enterprise, on her last deployment, will be replacing Abe...

[RonFournier]

I saw some posters talk about an Iranian spring. It's funny because the US and their allies are creating the perfect conditions for the iranian people to rally around their Government because their sovereignty is being threatened more every day and the economic sanctions are affeciing their life conditions.

If you go back to the 1979 Iranian revolution the Iraninans got rid of the Shah and then got attacked by Iraq with the support of the US. Since 1984 they've been imposed more and more economical sanctions. In 2002 Bush declares that they are in the Axis of Evil, while Pakistan, our ally, is a well known terrorist sanctuary, is very unstable, and DOES have the nuclear bomb.

2003, Iraq invasion and since then, I'm sure Iranians are truly excited at the idea of enjoying the same life conditions as their Iraqian neighbours. Now they get all this war propaganda from the US and their allies.

And THEY are the ones acting as a threat for other countries??? Seems like they're acting defensively to me.

People don't seem to realise that an Iran invasion could very well trigger a war with China, n°1 iranian oil importer.

Edited January 23, 2012 by RonFournier

[Guest Derek L]

People don't seem to realise that an Iran invasion could very well trigger a war with China, n°1 iranian oil importer.

China's Oil Imports from Iran Jump

China's imports from Iran could decline in the months ahead due to a dispute over commercial issues between China International United Petroleum & Chemicals Co., known as Unipec, and National Iranian Oil Co. Unipec has skipped imports of about 220,000 barrels a day from Iran in January and further delays could affect February orders as well.

I wouldn't be so sure, after this:

Iran threatens to hit U.S. targets over Strait of Hormuz as Europe joins oil import ban

The European Union banned imports of oil from Iran on Monday and imposed a number of other economic sanctions, joining the United States in a new round of measures aimed at deflecting Tehran’s nuclear development program.

China will have to decide what’s more valuable……..North American & European markets or Iranian oil

[Guest Peeves]

China's Oil Imports from Iran Jump

I wouldn't be so sure, after this:

Iran threatens to hit U.S. targets over Strait of Hormuz as Europe joins oil import ban

China will have to decide what’s more valuable……..North American & European markets or Iranian oil

CHINA HAS COME ON BOARD WITH IRAN SANCTIONS REDUCING OIL PURCHASES.

The EU voted to day to cut Iran off by June.

Looks to me that Iran is backed into a hard place. If they do block the straits they'll get hammered, a loss of face to the Arabs that they are playing to. Doubt they will take that route.

Better they back down and 'be seen to be cooperative.

[RonFournier]

Better they back down and 'be seen to be cooperative.

Submitted would be more appropriate.

[Guest Derek L]

CHINA HAS COME ON BOARD WITH IRAN SANCTIONS REDUCING OIL PURCHASES.

The EU voted to day to cut Iran off by June.

Looks to me that Iran is backed into a hard place. If they do block the straits they'll get hammered, a loss of face to the Arabs that they are playing to. Doubt they will take that route.

Better they back down and 'be seen to be cooperative.

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

Iran is truly cornered now, and it’s leadership will have to decide on their own personal futures……..Death or loss of face and prestige in the region, then Death.