Environmental enforcement? Not in Canada!

[jacee]

Stay on top of environmental delinquents, Ottawa told.

And in most cases, the auditors found little or no evidence Transport Canada had checked that the problems had been fixed.

“Transport Canada does not know the extent to which organizations transporting dangerous goods are complying with regulations,” the audit says.

The commissioner noted these problems are not new. An internal audit done more than five years ago flagged these same concerns. The National Energy Board regulates oil and gas that flow through pipelines. Mr. Vaughan’s team ooked at 56 compliance reports from 2007 to 2010 and found little follow-up.

Nearly two-thirds of the agency’s files flagged violations. But inspectors only checked up on 7 per cent of those cases to see if corrective action had been taken.

Mhmm ... and we're supposed to believe that new pipelines to the west coast, and shipping oil will be "safe"?

I don't think so.

[olp1fan]

More should be done to find and punish companies who are clumsy but look

we live on earth and we need certain things to survive.. to keep our economy surviving

we have no choice but to export our resources whether its in your opinion safe to or not to

that is the bottom line

you can whine all day but you're not going to keep our economy going if they listen to you and the others

[cybercoma]

to keep our economy surviving

we have no choice but to export our resources whether its in your opinion safe to or not

She's not arguing against that. She's saying we ought to be enforcing the already existing regulations and following up. We ought to be doing more to esnure safety. She's not arguing that we should stop shipping and exporting altogether. She's arguing for that buzzword that conservatives like to trot out, unless it has to do with companies or government: accountability.

[olp1fan]

She's not arguing against that. She's saying we ought to be enforcing the already existing regulations and following up. We ought to be doing more to esnure safety. She's not arguing that we should stop shipping and exporting altogether. She's arguing for that buzzword that conservatives like to trot out, unless it has to do with companies or government: accountability.

she is so arguing against it after this statement

Mhmm ... and we're supposed to believe that new pipelines to the west coast, and shipping oil will be "safe"?

I don't think so.

[waldo]

you can whine all day but you're not going to keep our economy going if they listen to you and the others

did you even read the OP? You don't circumvent legitimate safety concerns for transporting dangerous goods... certainly not in the name of economic expediency!

[olp1fan]

did you even read the OP? You don't circumvent legitimate safety concerns for transporting dangerous goods... certainly not in the name of economic expediency!

her concern is oil running through pipelines.. I've seen her posts in the past regarding it

she will never be okay with it even if the feds were enforcing the rules

[cybercoma]

her concern is oil running through pipelines.. I've seen her posts in the past regarding it

she will never be okay with it even if the feds were enforcing the rules

The point is that people are rejeting it because it's not safe, while the government claims it is. Her OP shows that they have no grounding for making that claim because they do very little to ensure safety. She's not against the exportation of oil. She's against it being done in a way that jeopardizes the environment. It's clear that the government can't make any claims to ensuring safe delivery.

Edited December 13, 2011 by cybercoma

[olp1fan]

She's against it being done in a way that jeopardizes the environment

yes and to people who think like her they consider its best to just leave the tar sands alone

thus ruining our economy

[cybercoma]

She's against it being done in a way that jeopardizes the environment

yes and to people who think like her they consider its best to just leave the tar sands alone

thus ruining our economy

So you're ok with ruining the environment that sustains us, as long as it benefits the economy? I haven't seen anyone here say they are against the tar sands, oil production, etc. What they usually say is that they're against it being done in a way that jeopardizes us by being destructive to the environment. You're arguing against that notion, which leaves you with the position that they ought to be allowed to destroy the environment any which way they please, so long as it brings in money. Would you also advocate for the removal of all other environmental regulations the government has put in place (catalytic converters in cars, scrubbers on smoke stacks, laws around dumping, etc)? These things also "hurt the economy" by making it more expensive for companies to do business. It costs people jobs when companies have to pay to meet these regulations. I would suggest that such a position is untenable and its dishonest to make jacee's position seem as though she's entirely against commodity production, when it's clear that she's against destructive practices and not the production itself.

[olp1fan]

The economy shall not be hijacked by a few tree huggers

thats all I have to say about that

[Guest Manny]

Hey didn't we drop out of Kyoto now? Yes we did.

Canada under fire over Kyoto protocol exit

Once again, we are leading the way. Roght down the toilet

[PIK]

What do people not understand that we produce 2% of the world's GHG's and to drop that a little ,we will have to screw the economy. What don't people understand that no matter what we do, will do nothing for the climate as long as china and the US and others keep poluting away. What people must undertsand is we canadians will do as we see fit and will not be told by foreign govermnets how to run our affairs. How much of europe debt is caused by spending billions on carbon credits that do nothing about CC. How many people on this board went to suzuki's site and paid him $99 for pontoons for santa's sleigh. That con man is laughing all the way to the evil bank, with his buudy al gore.

[jacee]

The economy shall not be hijacked by a few tree huggers

thats all I have to say about that

The environment that sustains human life is more critical than the profits of the few.

That's not all I have to say about that ... and MANY agree ... too many to ignore.

You do understand that without trees there is no oxygen for us to breathe?

Despite popular myth, God didn't magically create the earth already for human habitation ... trees made it possible for humans to exist and evolve.

And right now we have a great challenge to our existence, one created by the greed of the few.

I believe humans are up to the challenge, because there are many more of us who see through the destruction of greed than are mired in it.

You can't breathe money, can't eat it, can't take it with you when you die. It's the environment that needs long term protection. The economy serves the needs of the people, not the reverse, and not the greed of the 1%.

[bud]

The economy shall not be hijacked by a few tree huggers

thats all I have to say about that

one day, hopefully not when it's too late, you will understand that the economy and the environment have a link. once we've killed the environment, the economy will go down with it. more and more economist are coming out with a new formula where they include environmental consequences into the equation concerning the economy.

warren buffet recently purchased a sonar energy company where 160,000 homes can be powered by a sonar farm. guess what this company can do? create jobs and create clean energy.

don't be afraid of evolving your way of thinking and your view on how things can be. those who are unable to evolve and adapt usually get left behind.

[Guest Manny]

don't be afraid of evolving your way of thinking and your view on how things can be. those who are unable to evolve and adapt usually get left behind.

Yeah I don't know what happen to that OLP guy. He used to be a good guy and try to speak the truth. Now just talk about hate for others, and lies. Hey man, don't be scared to stand up for what's right.

[olp1fan]

The environment that sustains human life is more critical than the profits of the few.

That's not all I have to say about that ... and MANY agree ... too many to ignore.

You do understand that without trees there is no oxygen for us to breathe?

Despite popular myth, God didn't magically create the earth already for human habitation ... trees made it possible for humans to exist and evolve.

And right now we have a great challenge to our existence, one created by the greed of the few.

I believe humans are up to the challenge, because there are many more of us who see through the destruction of greed than are mired in it.

You can't breathe money, can't eat it, can't take it with you when you die. It's the environment that needs long term protection. The economy serves the needs of the people, not the reverse, and not the greed of the 1%.

Are you a hippie? because that would make a lot of sense

Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Yeah I don't know what happen to that OLP guy. He used to be a good guy and try to speak the truth. Now just talk about hate for others, and lies. Hey man, don't be scared to stand up for what's right.

and don't you be afraid to shut up about me

[dre]

Are you a hippie? because that would make a lot of sense

What a piece of crap post. Are you going out of your way to act like a twit?

[olp1fan]

What a piece of crap post. Are you going out of your way to act like a twit?

yours wasn't any better

[Guest Manny]

and don't you be afraid to shut up about me

Well when you are young, it seems like everyone is always telling you you're wrong.

And in this case, you really are...

[Guest Manny]

What a piece of crap post. Are you going out of your way to act like a twit?

Poor fellow. I think he learned the wrong lesson around here. When in asshole land, and people pick on you, become an asshole too (so they don't pick on you no more).

Son, that is bullshit.

Why don't you join the right team, be a good guy. Time to man up.

The stupid dogs, they will soon be obsolete. In nature they get exterminated, because they cannot sustain their existence. Because they crap where they eat. It's a surety...

Edited December 14, 2011 by Manny

[Hydraboss]

So let me get this straight...the kid has an opinion (usually wrong) and just because he hasn't been baptized in the bullshit-colored water of the Church of Suzuki, you guys turn and attack your own. Nice.

Jacee IS against all the things that make our economy run - doesn't matter if her ideas make sense...His Holiness David has spoken and therefore she must follow without question. OLP made the right call on that one. If it comes out of the ground, it is evil.

I used to think the most annoying part of this board was the pro-indian posters (like what's-his-dork now), Posit, the idiots that were all about "Mohawk warriors" in Caledonia, etc... That annoyance has been replaced for the most part by a bunch of self-proclaimed Protectors of the Earth (a division of the Church of Suzuki) - also known as the wacky, eco-freaky wing of the occupy meathead movement. They too shall pass.

By the way Jacee,

That's not all I have to say about that ... and MANY agree ... too many to ignore.

Yes, you will be ignored. We have always ignored you. We always WILL ignore you. You mean nothing to those of us in the real world (you know, with real money, bills, cars that WE own - not our parents, and JOBS). You and your little friends are nothing more than a passing oddity to most people.

[Evening Star]

See, here's where I think it is realistic for the government to take real action on the environment. When we have rules on the books, they should be enforced. Thought they were tough on crime?

[cybercoma]

Jacee IS against all the things that make our economy run

Are you also against the Employment Standards Act, health regulations, and other environmental regulations? Those things cost companies billions. Should we just do away with them as well?

[Hydraboss]

Are you also against the Employment Standards Act, health regulations, and other environmental regulations? Those things cost companies billions. Should we just do away with them as well?

No, I'm not against all regulations (it's a huge part of what I do). But you're forgetting that Little Princess is against anything resourse-related, even though she doesn't have clue what the hell she's talking about.

Regulations should be realistic and doable or they're not worth the paper they're written on. We can have a discussion on that any time you wish. Jacee, however, makes "arguments" that equate to "man, we need to stop the man because he keeps men down, man, down.". The "movement" against resourse extraction and use sounds very child-like and is only missing the soundtrack of a bunch of two year olds stomping their feet.