Guest American Woman Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I would suggest that Minister take a look at his own backyard where women are treated as object rather than human beings, pressured into surgically altering their bodies to meet a beauty ideale our society forces upon them, forced to take jobs at lower wages than their male counterparts, abused in the home at a rate of 9:1 in proportion to men, and more. It's a total fabrication that women here are actually free from persecution. They're persecuted, but under the veil of equality. There is no comparison. As a woman myself, I can attest to that. No one is treating me as an object, because I won't allow it. No woman I know is being treated as such; no woman I know would allow it. The law certainly doesn't. We have the same rights as men. No one has pressured me into doing one thing to my body. We, as free nations, have been working on equality in the work force. As for abuse, we do have shelters, and women are protected from abuse by law. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 For the requirement that it's indecent to have your tits hanging out in public, like modern fashion dictates. no one is forcing or intimidating women to wear revealing clothing or get surgery Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Or how 'bout the trial going on right now about that nutcase who killed his daughters and his 1st wife (from a polygamous marriage) because he thought they were dressing and acting like "whores" for dressing like any Western woman and having the temerity for having a boyfriend??? How "progressive" of him!!! and liberals defend this culture Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 no one is forcing or intimidating women to wear revealing clothing or get surgery Or have their tits hanging out,even though (God Bless Gwen Jacobs),it's legal!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest American Woman Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 how naive...as if swearing an oath has stopped any criminals from entering canada, the usa or any country... Who said it has?? The idea of the oath is for the person to want to become a Canadian badly enough to swear loyalty to the country that is granting them the rights of citizenship. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 My wife passed the exam..But then again,she does'nt wear regressive head gear as a cultural statement... So what. That's her choice. I don't criticize Pentecostal women for wearing long jean skirts and not cutting their hair. What's the difference with women that choose to cover themselves? If this is their culture and that's what they're used to is it not conceivable that it would be incredibly uncomfortable to be exposed in public by not wearing it? Imagine having to take off your pants and parae around in your underwear after you've been used to wearing pants in public your whole life. Forcing them to appear in public without the veil is insulting and unless there's a really compelling reason for it, there's not a chance in hell this will stand. Like I said, they would probably be as uncomfortable taking it off as one of our women being forced to wear one. As long as they know they have the option, then it should entirely be their choice. Seeing them utter the words of the oath is unnecessary. When they sign the documents they agree to the oath. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 and liberals defend this culture And more than a few have the gall to call themselves "progressive" because they accept the inherently unacceptable... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Or how 'bout the trial going on right now about that nutcase who killed his daughters and his 1st wife (from a polygamous marriage) because he thought they were dressing and acting like "whores" for dressing like any Western woman and having the temerity for having a boyfriend??? How "progressive" of him!!! HEY GUYS! LOOK AT ALL THE EXTREME EXAMPLES I CAN FIND THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! Quote
GostHacked Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 have you ever been robbed by anyone wearing a ski mask? Nope. Well there was this one guy who stole the race from me. But we were both wearing the 'ski mask' aka the balaclava. It was winter and at 90 + mph, it's a bit cold without it. Quote
wyly Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Who said it has?? The idea of the oath is for the person to want to become a Canadian badly enough to swear loyalty to the country that is granting them the rights of citizenship. it's a hokus pokus ceremony, meaningless patriotic jibber jabber... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) And more than a few have the gall to call themselves "progressive" because they accept the inherently unacceptable... they think they are but they seem more regressive.. the country is becoming less religious and here they are defending religion I think they are out of touch Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
dre Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 And more than a few have the gall to call themselves "progressive" because they accept the inherently unacceptable... Who accepts it? Its illegal to murder your family members or make death threats in Canada. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 it's a hokus pokus ceremony, meaningless patriotic jibber jabber... To you, perhaps. To your government, not so much. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 HEY GUYS! LOOK AT ALL THE EXTREME EXAMPLES I CAN FIND THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! I've also seen your pathetic use of moral and cultural relativism to scold those who are'nt as "progressive" as you... Standard leftist drek.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 There is no comparison. As a woman myself, I can attest to that. No one is treating me as an object, because I won't allow it. No woman I know is being treated as such; no woman I know would allow it. The law certainly doesn't. We have the same rights as men. No one has pressured me into doing one thing to my body. We, as free nations, have been working on equality in the work force. As for abuse, we do have shelters, and women are protected from abuse by law. Your anecdotal proclamation is very nice, but you're wrong. You are objectified and I can give you countless examples of how it's happening. Seeing as you completely ignore any evidence that contradicts your point of view, I don't see why I should bother though. Even in the post you replied to, I gave you several examples that you haven't even bothered to counter. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 For the requirement that it's indecent to have your tits hanging out in public, like modern fashion dictates. Women can go tolpess in Ontario, I do recall it being legal now. Not that many do, and thankfully some of them don't. But hey a hot scantily clad lady wearing a veil could be very exciting. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Who accepts it? Its illegal to murder your family members or make death threats in Canada. Not the murder,obviously that's unnacceptable... But the culture that seems to condone this behaviour,and within it,the wearing of regressive headgear as acceptable... Regressive behaviour towards females,being the key here... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Your anecdotal proclamation is very nice, but you're wrong. You are objectified and I can give you countless examples of how it's happening. Seeing as you completely ignore any evidence that contradicts your point of view, I don't see why I should bother though. Even in the post you replied to, I gave you several examples that you haven't even bothered to counter. Ah...Paternalistic "Progressivism"... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 they think they are but they seem more regressive.. the country is becoming less religious and here they are defending religion I think they are out of touch Nobody is defending religion. Some people are just against banning unpopular expression. My own opinion in that the oath is a meaningless relic. As IF forcing people to recite some pledge has anything to do with how well new immigrants fit into Canada. I could care less if they wore a purple barney suit. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Your anecdotal proclamation is very nice, but you're wrong. You are objectified and I can give you countless examples of how it's happening. Ah, yeah. Sure I am. Seeing as you completely ignore any evidence that contradicts your point of view, My point of view?? I'm a woman. I think I know more about women being treated as an object than you, a man, would. I think I know more about me not being treated as an object than you would. You think your evidence will change that?? I don't see why I should bother though. Even in the post you replied to, I gave you several examples that you haven't even bothered to counter. I replied to everything you said in the post. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 no one is forcing or intimidating women to wear revealing clothing or get surgery Yeah, you wouldn't think so, until you look into the statistics of the number of women with body image issues, the increase in plastic surgery over the years, and the amount of money spent each year on cosmetics and diet fads. When it becomes that prevalent it's less about personal choice and more about social programming. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Yeah, you wouldn't think so, until you look into the statistics of the number of women with body image issues, the increase in plastic surgery over the years, and the amount of money spent each year on cosmetics and diet fads. When it becomes that prevalent it's less about personal choice and more about social programming. nobody is strong arming then Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Nobody is defending religion. Some people are just against banning unpopular expression. My own opinion in that the oath is a meaningless relic. As IF forcing people to recite some pledge has anything to do with how well new immigrants fit into Canada. I could care less if they wore a purple barney suit. At least the Barney suit would be funny... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Women can go tolpess in Ontario, I do recall it being legal now. Not that many do, and thankfully some of them don't. But hey a hot scantily clad lady wearing a veil could be very exciting. Attn: AW This is how you're an object to be consumed by men's gaze. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 From my perspective, nobody should be able to prevent the federal government from determining the identity of a citizen. It should be illegal to do so in my view. Quote
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