Mackay busted in a lie about the helicopter of doom

[g_bambino]

Yes, it's the genuineness of the Opposition that should be questioned here...

All of them, on both sides of the house, really.

[Shakeyhands]

All of them, on both sides of the house, really.

I'm not sure about anyone else but, that isn't good enough for me. They wasted money, then they lied to cover up even involving our Military to assist in that. Having said that, at least they all got a taste of what life is like in Ottawa.

[g_bambino]

I'm not sure about anyone else but, that isn't good enough for me. They wasted money, then they lied to cover up even involving our Military to assist in that.

Well, the more you go on like that, the more it seems you're just singling out the Conservatives because, well, you hate the Conservatives. The point beneath all this is: it's standard for government officials - including the sovereign, the governor general, high-ranking military staff, ambassadors, and, yes, ministers, regardless of their party affiliations - to use Crown-owned vehicles for transport, even to and from vacation. That is why Liberal ministers did it, and that's why it's both hypocritical and irrational (if one rules out purely political motives) for the Liberals to have launched an attack on MacKay for the helecopter ride. Now, why MacKay felt the need to lie or only give half the truth or whatever it is in response to the attacks is also incomprehensible; it was completely unnecessary and he just made matters worse for himself, literally handing ammunition to his opponents. However, complicating matters even further is this silly myth that's been whipped up and bought by the typically miserly Canadian public that the use of Crown-owned vehicles is an opulent waste of money, which, perhaps, was the basis of the opposition's attacks and at least partly influenced MacKay's reasoning for trying to toss around alternative justifications for his helecopter trip.

Really, the whole thing's a non-story that's been turned into a tragic comedy of a clusterfuck through a combination of hypocricy, lies, cowardice, and ineptitude.

[ed.: +]

Edited February 24, 2012 by g_bambino

[olpfan1]

Typical conservative you are Bambino, once your party gets caught with its pants down you're like "Well all politicians lie so its okay" yeah they all lie but the conservatives are the government and they got caught

nothing you say is going to make it okay

it would be nice if you criticized your government once in a while when they get caught but im afraid you're too far gone for that

[olpfan1]

If ANY politician lies and gets caught and doesn't even apologize he deserves to lose his job

MacKay is a puny asswipe who lied, tried to cover up his lie, lied some more, got caught lying again, and is still denying that he did anything wrong

this is pretty much the conservative governments behaviour

[g_bambino]

Typical conservative you are Bambino

One day I'm accused of being a Liberal shill, the next I'm a Conservative toady.

[ed.: -]

Edited February 24, 2012 by g_bambino

[olpfan1]

One day I'm accused of being a Liberal shill, the next I'm a Conservative toady. I love it when people locked with party dogma can't decide what to do with me!

I'm not a supporter of the liberals or ndp , but I know you're a conservative supporter

A conservative could kill an opposition member and you'd stick up for him/her

Edited February 24, 2012 by olpfan1

[g_bambino]

I know you're a conservative supporter

Funny how people will only selectively see what they want to in order to neatly box me as they please.

[olpfan1]

Funny how people will only selectively see what they want to in order to neatly box me as they please.

hey that isn't my fault, you seem to only ever criticize the opposition and then whine when people criticize the conservatives

[g_bambino]

hey that isn't my fault, you seem to only ever criticize the opposition and then whine when people criticize the conservatives

You'd best read what I write more carefully, then.

[Smallc]

Other than a possible attempt to cover things up, I still don't see anything done wrong here.

[olpfan1]

Other than a possible attempt to cover things up, I still don't see anything done wrong here.

Once you get military officials in on the cover up and counter attack that is more than a possible attempt

MacKay lied, got caught, now we find out he had the military help him with his counter attack and there is nothing done wrong here?

HOLY #%&$

[Smallc]

If you would please ageing read my post, and then respond to what I actually wrote, it would be appreciated.

[olpfan1]

If you would please ageing read my post, and then respond to what I actually wrote, it would be appreciated.

Other than a possible attempt to cover things up, I still don't see anything done wrong here.

You don't see anything done wrong ...what did I misread?

[Smallc]

You don't see anything done wrong ...what did I misread?

There was nothing wrong with the minister taking the helicopter for what seems to be an official reason. There is something wrong with the cover up attempt, and subsequent attempts.

[Shakeyhands]

There was nothing wrong with the minister taking the helicopter for what seems to be an official reason.

Still think it was a waste of money.

There is something wrong with the cover up attempt, and subsequent attempts.

This should read "outright lies, attempted cover up, misuse of Military resources to back their cover up attempt"

We should all be outraged over the latter part. The politicization of the Military is a VERY slippery slope.

[g_bambino]

Still think it was a waste of money.

What would have been the cheapest alternative?

[Smallc]

Still think it was a waste of money.

It cost virtually nothing. The cover up I don't endorse, but, based on evidence presented in this thread earlier, it seems it was the military that decided they'd call it a training exercise.

[olpfan1]

There was nothing wrong with the minister taking the helicopter for what seems to be an official reason. There is something wrong with the cover up attempt, and subsequent attempts.

I'm sure people on the east coast care more about MacKay taking a rescue chopper for his own pleasure ride to the airport, I don't see why you would care about that because you wouldn't have been affected

[Smallc]

I'm sure people on the east coast care more about MacKay taking a rescue chopper for his own pleasure ride to the airport, I don't see why you would care about that because you wouldn't have been affected

The helicopter was available the entire time.

[olpfan1]

The helicopter was available the entire time.

Nope, there could have been a shipwreck, a plane crash into the ocean during the time MacKay was being lifted to the airport, split seconds can be the difference between life and death

[Smallc]

Nope, there could have been a shipwreck, a plane crash into the ocean during the time MacKay was being lifted to the airport, split seconds can be the difference between life and death

I hate to tell you this, but the helicopter was actually more available than usual because it was already flying. CF SAR aircraft are not available on the basis of seconds or even minutes, and are often on a 2 hr call back basis.

JRCC Trenton has access to dedicated military SAR aircraft and Canadian Coast Guard (CCG) vessels and crews, as well as resources from the Civil Air Search and Rescue Association (CASARA) and the Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary, which can be tasked to respond to an emergency. CF SAR response posture is immediate at all times, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The CF maintains benchmark target times for aircraft to be airborne, which serve as a measure of performance. Current policy requires one of each type of aircraft per primary SAR squadron to be airborne in less than two hours, with a heightened response requirement of 30 minutes or less during weekdays. Aircraft are frequently flying in shorter periods of time.

http://www.canadacom.forces.gc.ca/spec/sarttx11-jrcct-eng.asp

Edited February 24, 2012 by Smallc

[olpfan1]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/02/24/nl-simms-emails-224.html

“All I’m asking for is Peter MacKay to come to Gander and spend a full day doing what I did to understand what search and rescue is all about,” said Simms, the MP for Bonavista-Gander-Grand Falls-Windsor. "The invitation for me to go on this Cormorant was extended by his office. Now all of the sudden it has become a bad thing.”

rofl, Simms was asked to attend a search and rescue by MacKays office, he went...then MacKay criticizes him for it and asks the military to find information on it

God damn that is embarrassing

You can't make this stuff up people, the conservatives have gone fully retarded

Edited February 24, 2012 by olpfan1

[cybercoma]

Funny how people will only selectively see what they want to in order to neatly box me as they please.

Shut your face, you tree-hugging Green Party hack!

[WWWTT]

Take it easy man.

WWWTT