Jack Weber Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 No federal conservative party has balanced the budget since the 1800s. So be careful when throwing around the ability to make the country prosperous along partisan lines. Spot on... By the way,love your sig...The last PM that had a vision (for better of for worse...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I don't know, because dollar figures aren't nearly as important as percentage of GDP. if you don't know don't make it sound like you do, all of the articles I have read said harpers cons have the biggest defecit in Canadian history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 if you don't know don't make it sound like you do, all of the articles I have read said harpers cons have the biggest defecit in Canadian history In total dollar figures, it was, but that's completely irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) You need a better example than OJ LOL and what should happen if the Cons manage to not cut down the defecit by 2015 like they promised? will you vote for them? probably Why do I need a better example? You’re setting the goalposts? Businesses hire outside firms all the time for internal audits……..I’d trust apolitical sharks and forensic accountants to trim the fat of government, before civil servants and elected ministers, with whom, have their own empires to protect……. Your line of thinking proves that you’ve never run a business, or have hired a lawyer and accountant…. Edited November 20, 2011 by Derek L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 our household debt is one of the highest in the industrial world Not mine. Spend within your means and things are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Why do I need a better example? You’re setting the goalposts? Businesses hire outside firms all the time for internal audits……..I’d trust apolitical sharks and forensic accountants to trim the fat of government, before civil servants and elected ministers, with whom, have their own empires to protect……. Your line of thinking proves that you’ve never run a business, or have hired a lawyer and accountant…. why even elect them then if they are going to hire people with tax payer money to do the job they were given? so tax payers are paying them (for doing nothing) and then the people who are doing the ministers job Edited November 20, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Harper wouldn't have to hire and pay out money if he kept to his campaign vows to work with the opposition party. Keeping promises is one of Harper's down falls. The minister of agriculture told the western farmers that they could have a vote on the wheat board after the election, so the farmer's who wanted to keep the board voted for Harper, since they were Tory supporters. Now, they are very angry and feel they were lied to, gee, join the club. There's also a conflict of interest in the Tory party. The Minister , himself is a former farmer, gave the farm to his son, like others within the party, so when they voted to scrap the Wheat Board, they broke parliamentary rule, by benfitting by the vote. I think the next fed. election will hae a very different outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Harper wouldn't have to hire and pay out money if he kept to his campaign vows to work with the opposition party. Keeping promises is one of Harper's down falls. The minister of agriculture told the western farmers that they could have a vote on the wheat board after the election, so the farmer's who wanted to keep the board voted for Harper, since they were Tory supporters. Now, they are very angry and feel they were lied to, gee, join the club. There's also a conflict of interest in the Tory party. The Minister , himself is a former farmer, gave the farm to his son, like others within the party, so when they voted to scrap the Wheat Board, they broke parliamentary rule, by benfitting by the vote. I think the next fed. election will hae a very different outcome. The wheat board is a socialist relic that needs revamping. The CPC is not getting rid of the CWB. They are only giving grain farmers who wish not to use the CWB a chance to market the fruits of their own labour. The farmers who want to keep the single desk monopoly don't want ANY other farmers to have the chance to market their own grain. The farmers who don't want the CWB monopoly still want the CWB so that their fellow farmers who wish to use the CWB still can. if the CWB is as great as some say it is, then it will continue to..ummm..thrive. It amazes me how many people think it is wrong to give farmers who whish tto market their own grain that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) The wheat board is a socialist relic that needs revamping. The CPC is not getting rid of the CWB. They are only giving grain farmers who wish not to use the CWB a chance to market the fruits of their own labour. The farmers who want to keep the single desk monopoly don't want ANY other farmers to have the chance to market their own grain. The farmers who don't want the CWB monopoly still want the CWB so that their fellow farmers who wish to use the CWB still can. if the CWB is as great as some say it is, then it will continue to..ummm..thrive. It amazes me how many people think it is wrong to give farmers who whish tto market their own grain that opportunity. are you saying the federal government will still regulate and pay to make sure the CWB is operational? because that is not what i read anywhere Edited November 20, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 are you saying the federal government will still regulate and pay to make sure the CWB is operational? because that is not what i read anywhere The CWB needs federal hand-outs? Competition is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I agree, but I don't see how she can blame it on Harper. And I have no idea why she thinks a 'financial transaction' tax would deter speculators. Like the Occupy people she doesn't understand her own rhetoric. Perhaps too dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Like the Occupy people she doesn't understand her own rhetoric. Perhaps too dumb? That's a very logical possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 why even elect them then if they are going to hire people with tax payer money to do the job they were given? so tax payers are paying them (for doing nothing) and then the people who are doing the ministers job You obviously don’t understand…..the hired firm doesn’t have a political agenda, and doesn’t have to worry about making suggestions that could be contrived as politically unpopular……….Do you really think the civil service will offer viable solutions on how best to cut it’s own budget? Would you rather the various ministers reading their departments financial breakdowns on printer cartridge usage, staple output and accounted theft of cafeteria cutlery and Government of Canada pens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 You obviously don’t understand…..the hired firm doesn’t have a political agenda, and doesn’t have to worry about making suggestions that could be contrived as politically unpopular……….Do you really think the civil service will offer viable solutions on how best to cut it’s own budget? Would you rather the various ministers reading their departments financial breakdowns on printer cartridge usage, staple output and accounted theft of cafeteria cutlery and Government of Canada pens? Sorry but you can't justify this to me, Canadian tax payers are paying the finance minister and the people he hired to do his job for him you might be okay with that but most people are not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Sorry but you can't justify this to me, Canadian tax payers are paying the finance minister and the people he hired to do his job for him you might be okay with that but most people are not Do you have a cite? Do you really think the Finance Minster is going to audit the books of the entire Government of Canada himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Do you have a cite? Do you really think the Finance Minster is going to audit the books of the entire Government of Canada himself? click on the comment section of these articles, you'll see you're in the minority BTW CTV and Globe and Mail are pretty conservative http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110920/harper-government-cuts-consultant-ottawa-federal-spending-110920/ http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/09/21/flaherty-defends-hiring-cost-cutting-consultant_n_973233.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-hire-90000-a-day-consultant-to-help-cut-federal-spending/article2172390/comments/ http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/20/harper-cuts-consultant.html Edited November 20, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Do you have a cite? Do you really think the Finance Minster is going to audit the books of the entire Government of Canada himself? To hire unelected people and to pay them 90,000 a day is not democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 click on the comment section of these articles, you'll see you're in the minority BTW CTV and Globe and Mail are pretty conservative http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110920/harper-government-cuts-consultant-ottawa-federal-spending-110920/ http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/09/21/flaherty-defends-hiring-cost-cutting-consultant_n_973233.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-hire-90000-a-day-consultant-to-help-cut-federal-spending/article2172390/comments/ http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/20/harper-cuts-consultant.html That’s right, you’re the one that gages public opinion via comments on media websites……..What, is the Wizards of Warcraft discussion site down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 To hire unelected people and to pay them 90,000 a day is not democracy Why? How many people has the firm working on the project? What is the daily payroll of the Government of Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 That’s right, you’re the one that gages public opinion via comments on media websites……..What, is the Wizards of Warcraft discussion site down? I've offered more proof than you have that most Canadians are against this all you can come up with are insults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I've offered more proof than you have that most Canadians are against this all you can come up with are insults You haven't offered any proof......And how did I insult you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 That’s right, you’re the one that gages public opinion via comments on media websites……..What, is the Wizards of Warcraft discussion site down? :lol: Couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 You haven't offered any proof......And how did I insult you? You belittled the majority In fact 61 % of Canadians did not vote for the Cons, I can even assume that way they do not agree with this and here you are belittling the majority Enjoy these next three years because its the last you'll see of the conservative party being relevant in Canadian politics for a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 You belittled the majority In fact 61 % of Canadians did not vote for the Cons, I can even assume that way they do not agree with this and here you are belittling the majority Enjoy these next three years because its the last you'll see of the conservative party being relevant in Canadian politics for a decade Really? You think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 You belittled the majority In fact 61 % of Canadians did not vote for the Cons, I can even assume that way they do not agree with this and here you are belittling the majority Enjoy these next three years because its the last you'll see of the conservative party being relevant in Canadian politics for a decade And 69% of Canadians didn't vote NDP.....and 81% didn't vote for the Liberals.....What's your point? So you've got a hunch the 61% of Canadians are likeminded…….too bad they didn’t vote the same way…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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