ironstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 The problem being that any poll done by Sun is intended to be biased on their part and it will only be reported if/when they get results in favour of their agenda. I got a call from a poll done by Sun once... They couldn't pronounce McGuinty... they said "McGuilty" True,the Sun chain is conservative minded on the whole.But last time I checked,they are not handed 1.1 billion dollars every year from taxpayers.Can you honestly say the CBC isn't lelft-leaning? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Shwa Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 True,the Sun chain is conservative minded on the whole.But last time I checked,they are not handed 1.1 billion dollars every year from taxpayers.Can you honestly say the CBC isn't lelft-leaning? Can you prove that they are? No? Didn't think so. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Someone is forcing you to watch the CBC? Oh dear. No. somebody is forcing me to pay for your entertainment. And don't call me dear, Shirley.Why not privatize the military too? Blackwater, anyone? Pardon me... Xe Services, anyone?Because security of citizens in all its forms: police, fire, military,judicial system, air traffic safety etc is the first priority of any government that adheres to the rule of law, and that definitely includes Canada. Of course, if you think that producing the Road to Avonlea fdor nobody to watch is more impportant than the RCMP or CSIS........ That's what they're doing. 5 - 10% cuts to all federal program expenditures.I doubt that is what will actually happen. Each Deputy Minsiter will be charged with a target, but in some cases we may see an expansion of staff, not a contraction. In the 90s when the Liberals laid off staff overall, they hired a whole whack of auditors and collections people at CRA. .If the purpose of the program is to increase govt revenue, I would not expect to see anything that would hinder that. Quote The government should do something.
noahbody Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Can you prove that they are? No? Didn't think so. I can't think of any program that brings George Stombopolisilisopisoybislienpos into balance. Quote
Shwa Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 I can't think of any program that brings George Stombopolisilisopisoybislienpos into balance. touche! I would have also accepted George Stombolombonuffaluffagus. But seriously, I do enjoy his show now and then, he can have some very interesting guests. Quote
Shwa Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 No. somebody is forcing me to pay for your entertainment. No one is forcing you to pay for my entertainment. You are seriously misled. Quote
Evening Star Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) Can you honestly say the CBC isn't lelft-leaning? "Left" and "right" are both broad and relative terms but, yes, I can say this. From my point of view, the CBC seems to bend over backwards to give a balanced view. I don't think it has an ideological editorial voice like either the Toronto Star or the National Post. When we've discussed this before on this board, I gave the example of Power and Politics, where virtually every issue is discussed by a panel featuring one representative of each major party, or at least someone who could be associated with the perspective of that party. Someone's response was something to the effect of "for every Conservative, they have two Liberal/NDP shills on there." Uh, yeah, that's how a multi-party system works. Actually, if there's any bias on the show, I thought it was against the NDP. They were almost treated as a joke a couple of times after the election. (As for balancing George Strombolopoulos, whose show is basically an entertainment talk show, what about Kevin O'Leary's shows?) Edited November 16, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
ironstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Can you prove that they are? No? Didn't think so. It's my opinion,I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this either.Canada would survive without the CBC although sadly,I think they will always have their place at the trough,regardless of who forms the government.They should at least be openly accountable with how they spend our money. What time does Ezra come on? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
ironstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Apparently,most Canadians prefer American shows by a hefty margin. http://www.toronto.com/blog/post/703782--the-brioux-report-bang-still-big-x-factor-no-longer-a-factor-in-canadian-top-10 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 They should at least be openly accountable with how they spend our money. Not if it gives the competition the advantage. Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Not if it gives the competition the advantage. But should they really be competing with private television/radio? Quote
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 But should they really be competing with private television/radio? Why not? There mandate was given to them by the govt and they follow it. They dont for the most part since they cannot afford it. Sports is a non-starter since it is separate. Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Why not? There mandate was given to them by the govt and they follow it. Do they? And is that mandate still relevant today? Why should Canadian being using their tax money to support something that most of the could care less about, something that is actually costing private sector businesses doing the same work, money? Quote
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 And is that mandate still relevant today? That is something that the Feds could review. But they wont, since it seems to be political suicide. Why should Canadian being using their tax money to support something that most of the could care less about, something that is actually costing private sector businesses doing the same work, money? Most? does not seem to be true. What is costing the public sector? How? Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Most? does not seem to be true. It is actually. Most Canadians have little to no contact with the CBC. What is costing the public sector? How? CBC TV is competing for the same advertising revenue as other Canadian television organizations. Quote
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 It is actually. Most Canadians have little to no contact with the CBC. Didnt the poll answer that question? They want it and are ok with it? To be hoinest, a review, a mandate symposium could be called and I would be fine with that. But the constant attack against the CBC has proven to be silly for numerous reasons. CBC TV is competing for the same advertising revenue as other Canadian television organizations. So then they are not 'costing' the other stations money. They canot complain if in fair competition they get beat. The smallc Corp and the Guyser Corp bid on the same project and you win. Can I say you cost me money when in fact I never did get any money and lost the bid ? No, one cannot say that. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 CBC TV is competing for the same advertising revenue as other Canadian television organizations. On the other hand, CBC is an secure, lifetime tenured employment haven for thousands of substandard actors, producers, directors etc.What would they do without CBC? There are only so many positions in the private sector for talentless artists. Well, none really. Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 They canot complain if in fair competition they get beat. The smallc Corp and the Guyser Corp bid on the same project and you win. Can I say you cost me money when in fact I never did get any money and lost the bid ? Wow, where to start? Let us imagine that two TV networks are approaching the same advertiser for their business. #1 says: I'll put you on primetime for $50k per spot, even though my production costs demand that I charge $75k to break even. It is not a problem because I am backstopped to the tune of $1 billion plus annually and don't really have to account for much of it, citing 'privacy' and 'revealing proprietary business models'. #2 says I'll charge you $60k per primetime spot because my production costs are $50k per spot and I cannot afford to operate at a loss because I have no financial backstop. So of course CBC is #1, and they cost you twice: first because you have proudly backstopped that loss via taxes every year, and secondly because there is no incentive to keep costs low , reduce the $1 billion subsidy and actually do anything efficently. Even better, the country is filled with apologists for CBC, they rarely even have to defend their actions since so many others are eager to do it for them. Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 But should they really be competing with private television/radio? I have no problem at all with CBC competing with the private sector.Of course, 'competition' implies a level playing field, so that means no subsidy at all. We could offer them a start by allowing the new corporation to have the buildings, equipment and real estate they currently have on favourable terms. They will also have to be freed from the shackles of their labour agreements, no private braodcaster could survive that anchor. Quote The government should do something.
dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Why should Canadian being using their tax money to support something that most of the could care less about, something that is actually costing private sector businesses doing the same work, money? The government does all kinds of things that most Canadians could care less about. Most of them dont want to be dumping blood and treasure on the sand in Afghanistan either, and most Canadians dont want to spend billions throwing people in prison for minor crimes. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 The government does all kinds of things that most Canadians could care less about. But this something that the private sector does here all of the time. Quote
ironstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Not if it gives the competition the advantage. Isn't 1.1 billion dollars sort of a competitive advantage? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 But this something that the private sector does here all of the time. So what? Private and public broadcasters have co-existed just fine for many decades, all over the world. And in terms of news they are some of the only decent networks out there. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 So what? Private and public broadcasters have co-existed just fine for many decades, all over the world. And in terms of news they are some of the only decent networks out there. So I'm asking, in this changing world, do they fit? I don't think so, and I think there are better places to spend $1B. Quote
dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 So I'm asking, in this changing world, do they fit? I don't think so, and I think there are better places to spend $1B. Of course they fit. How has the world changed in a way that makes it no longer valuable to have a source of information that isnt generated based on a corporate perspective? I would actually say that public broadcasting is more vital now than ever before. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
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