Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 We could make up our own prices So if Iran closed the Gulf tomorrow, we could just “make-up” our own prices? It wouldn’t affect the World’s shaky economy? Hell, I’m taking my truck down to Esso and telling the attendant that I’m making up my own price…. Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 This is why Israel and U.S do not want Iran to get nukes..they will have a tougher time influencing the middle east it has nothing at all to do with israel being threatened by nukes you're all buying into the propaganda It doesn't take any selling to convince me Iran shouldn't have nukes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Peeves Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 3. How many countries give aid to enemies who avow their mandate is to annihilate your country? South Korea lawl And anyway, other countries try to send aid to Gaza and are turned back by the Israelis That's not true. Israel searches anything going to their attackers to ensure no weapons. Any other country at war would do the same thing. Unless they had a suicide wish. Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 you fiddled around the question AGAIN, let me ask you once more Should the NDP & Liberals oppose war against Iran and the Cons support a war against Iran should Canada go to war against Iran even with Parliament this divided? It's called majority government. What the tories say is what goes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 But I don't see why Canada should get involved in a war with Israel and Iran Nobody has said we would. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Peeves Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 No that dog just doesnt hunt. Modern nation states are not "races". They are geopolitical entities that act based on self interest, often in a way thats detrimental to the interests of others (thats why we have wars). One can have a negative view on the actions of a nation state without having a corresponding view of the ethnic groups that make up that state. Following your logic western forces much have been "racist" against serbians? Or is it more likely they were just against the actions of the Serbian state? I agree,I too find fault with some Israeli tactics, but my opinion on the post I referenced was about their (that posters), apparent claim that most of the word's hate and his apparent sharing of that view. Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 So if Iran closed the Gulf tomorrow, we could just “make-up” our own prices? It wouldn’t affect the World’s shaky economy? Hell, I’m taking my truck down to Esso and telling the attendant that I’m making up my own price…. Canada COULD make our own oil prices if we withdrew from the international petro system, but we would be under a huge ammount of pressure from other countries not to do it. We may even face sanctions and economic retaliation. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Iran has a huge army but they are under fed ...and also that was before nukes were utilized ...much different world back then but now there is the nuclear deterrent so your point doesn't hold an iota of credibility in 2011 that IS why Iran wants nukes..so people can't bully them anymore Hmm. Bully them into doing what? What has anyone bullied Iran into doing lately? I don't see anyone even bothering about Iran except that Iran insists on bothering other people. When you think about it, there isn't even any reason why the Iranians should ever have concerned themselves with Israel. Israel is hundreds of miles away, and there are several countries between them and Iran. Why is Iran constantly threatening them, constantly cursing and belittling them, constantly funding terrorist groups to act against them? Why did a former Iranian president claim that as soon as Iran gets nukes it must use them on Israel? Why doesn't Iran shut its mouth and stop bothering everyone? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Canada COULD make our own oil prices if we withdrew from the international petro system, but we would be under a huge ammount of pressure from other countries not to do it. We may even face sanctions and economic retaliation. And what of the rest of the world economy? Oil aside, drastic negative market impacts will affect everyone. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Canada COULD make our own oil prices if we withdrew from the international petro system, but we would be under a huge ammount of pressure from other countries not to do it. We may even face sanctions and economic retaliation. Canada would also freeze it's ass off in the east. Canada is not self sufficient for all petroleum distillates. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Hmm. Bully them into doing what? What has anyone bullied Iran into doing lately? I don't see anyone even bothering about Iran except that Iran insists on bothering other people. When you think about it, there isn't even any reason why the Iranians should ever have concerned themselves with Israel. Israel is hundreds of miles away, and there are several countries between them and Iran. Why is Iran constantly threatening them, constantly cursing and belittling them, constantly funding terrorist groups to act against them? Why did a former Iranian president claim that as soon as Iran gets nukes it must use them on Israel? Why doesn't Iran shut its mouth and stop bothering everyone? with that logic I can say why is Canada bothering with Iran and Israel? we're hundreds of miles away how much trade do we do with Israel? Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 no instead your generation cowered behind proxy wars in numerous countries that you and the U.S.S.R divided and ruined Oh, they weren't all like that. There were a number of people like you then, too, protesting, demanding unilateral disarmament, shouting to everyone who would listen that the Soviet Union was a wonderful land of peace loving, inclusive, sharing people, and that if we just got rid of our military everything would be peace and light and flowers. The Soviets called them 'useful idiots'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Peeves Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Nobody has said we would. Exacatly. Where did anyone suggest a Canadian war vis-à-vis Iran ? IF NATO -UN went to war with Iran, Canada as a member would be involved. However, I point out that when Canada DID NOT when the UN did not support the invasion (2nd) of Iran. Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 The US has been invading countries all around Iran for no reason other than taking its Oil and resources...if you can't at least see why Iran is concerned then you are close minded Name one. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 with that logic I can say why is Canada bothering with Iran? we're hundreds of miles away Iran is a threat to the stability of a region, that directly affects the world’s economy. Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Communism was never a threat for the west, looking back at history now people must feel really stupid I have a feeling that history was never your subject at school. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Oh, they weren't all like that. There were a number of people like you then, too, protesting, demanding unilateral disarmament, shouting to everyone who would listen that the Soviet Union was a wonderful land of peace loving, inclusive, sharing people, and that if we just got rid of our military everything would be peace and light and flowers. The Soviets called them 'useful idiots'. And indirectly funded said protest groups Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Iraq...duh So we've got control of Iraqi oil? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Iran is a threat to the stability of a region, that directly affects the world’s economy. And other nations and people believe Israel is a threat to the stability of the region Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 I agree,I too find fault with some Israeli tactics, but my opinion on the post I referenced was about their (that posters), apparent claim that most of the word's hate and his apparent sharing of that view. I think most of the world is frustrated with Israel and disapprove of a lot of what they do. I think any rhetoric about "hatred" is overcharged and unhelpfull. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 So we've got control of Iraqi oil? Canada doesn't Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 And other nations and people believe Israel is a threat to the stability of the region Has Israel blockaded or impinged the “flow of oil” recently? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Canada doesn't America does? Quote
Argus Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 with that logic I can say why is Canada bothering with Iran and Israel? we're hundreds of miles away how much trade do we do with Israel? Have we threatened Iran? Have we funded terrorists to attack Iranians? Have we time and time again shouted to the rooftops how evil they are and how we need to get rid of them? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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