Canada at war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

If one of Pakistan's nukes finds its way to Israel you better believe that would affect the world's fuel supply.

I remember reading once that Israel' strategy in the event it was nuked was to ensure no Arab country was in position to take advantage of it in its weakness -- by nuking all of them. Think of what six or seven nukes going off in Muslim capitals would do to the price of oil.

The Samson option.....One can spend hours with hypothetical’s…….

[Guest Derek L]

You don't think everyone has been trying that for years?

You're mixing up context in that quote.....

[WWWTT]

I don't see it. We have interests with trade. They don't. We have concerns over human rights. Iran doesn't believe in human rights.

When you say we are you including the US(highest incarciration rate in the world).

What about our Saudi allies where women are not allowed to drive and are beheaded for wearing a bikini?

How about Afganistan where it is currently against the law to change religion if your current religion is Islam(by the way if you do you will get the death penalty)?

I guess death penalties and over inflated incarceration are not human right violations when we and our allies are guilty of them.

WWWTT

[olp1fan]

god its pretty dense how people are falling for this iran is gonna nuke israel thing

bunch of fools you didnt learn from OMGz Iraq has WMDs

[GostHacked]

I am also sure the Iranian nuclear facility got the Stuxnet virus all on it's own. It has been reported that the Stuxnet was state sponsored, meaning the USA and Israel designed it.

And people question what the CIA and Mossad do?? Hmmmmm.

[Argus]

because Israel oppresses the Palestinians, we've been through this many times already Derek

Irans main beef with Israel is the treatment of the Palestinians

Why? This is a country which routinely violates every human right in the book. Have you forgotten this?

This is the kind of thing which happens routinely in Iran. You think these people are crying over human rights abuses in Gaza?

Really!?

Iran set to execute 13 yr old girl for being raped

[olp1fan]

Why? This is a country which routinely violates every human right in the book. Have you forgotten this?

This is the kind of thing which happens routinely in Iran. You think these people are crying over human rights abuses in Gaza?

Really!?

Iran set to execute 13 yr old girl for being raped

Israel and Iran both do their fair share of violating human rights

I make no excuses for that kind of treatment

[Guest Derek L]

god its pretty dense how people are falling for this iran is gonna nuke israel thing

bunch of fools you didnt learn from OMGz Iraq has WMDs

Why are we dense……..I thought you stated not to trust what is said by Iran?

What number is this one on your contradiction count?

[olp1fan]

Why are we dense……..I thought you stated not to trust what is said by Iran?

What number is this one on your contradiction count?

you shouldnt trust israel or iran or any government for that matter

tell me how does iran benefit from nuking israel

[WWWTT]

None of them would come to Iran's aid militarily. And their vocal support would be muted, at best. Iran has no friends.

Really?!?!

The US is currently supporting Vietnam in a dispute it has with China over some islands.Vietnam buddy!The same freakin country just a few decades gave the US its worst shameful loss in American history is now their ally!And somehow you believe that China will not support an enemy or potential enemy of the US?!?!

Ok buddy whatever you say man?

WWWTT

[kactus]

Why? This is a country which routinely violates every human right in the book. Have you forgotten this?

This is the kind of thing which happens routinely in Iran. You think these people are crying over human rights abuses in Gaza?

Really!?

Iran set to execute 13 yr old girl for being raped

Whilst you bring up all these horror stories about Zahra Kazemi and the thirteen year old girl I hope you don't just take a one sided view you also appreciate the fact that there distibguished people like Shirin Ebadi and many others within the Iranian society that are fighting really hard for human rights issues. It's very easy to take a brush and call them all "uncivilised muslims" which is what I have seen here by many posters.

Edited November 15, 2011 by kactus

[Guest Derek L]

you shouldnt trust israel or iran or any government for that matter

tell me how does iran benefit from nuking israel

So when Iran says it’s nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, do you believe them or not?

[olp1fan]

Derek tell me why Iran would react militarily towards israel (about the mossad covert attack) when they are still developing their nuclear

arsenal? would a war not end their weapons programme and probably kill them all?

so why would Iran take themselves to the brink of war with Israel when the whole point to all of this is to build nuclear weapons?

[kactus]

So when Iran says it’s nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, do you believe them or not?

No one knows...They also say they don't have nuclear weapon. Do you believe them?

[olp1fan]

So when Iran says it’s nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, do you believe them or not?

hell no, they want nukes because it equals power

[Guest Derek L]

No one knows...They also say they don't have nuclear weapon. Do you believe them?

I believe, per the IAEA, that they're trying....

[Guest Derek L]

Derek tell me why Iran would react militarily towards israel (about the mossad covert attack) when they are still developing their nuclear

arsenal? would a war not end their weapons programme and probably kill them all?

so why would Iran take themselves to the brink of war with Israel when the whole point to all of this is to build nuclear weapons?

If you were attacked by three people, would you not defend yourself?

[olp1fan]

If you were attacked by three people, would you not defend yourself?

if every country went to war over covert attacks the whole planet would be wiped out

now answer my damn question

does it make sense for iran to retaliate against israel and give israel the go ahead to take out irans nuclear programme?

[WWWTT]

So when Iran says it’s nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, do you believe them or not?

I don't.

But I still believe they will not use them unless for self defence.

And just for the record there is only one country that has used nukes against another(civilian too not military).

WWWTT

[kactus]

I believe, per the IAEA, that they're trying....

Trying is not the same as having it. But in essence having the capability gives the perception of deterrence.

But let's look at it from another persective. Iranians have realised that the oil reserve is not likely to last forever. Having the nuclear capability would to a certain extent help them provide an alternative source of energy.

[Argus]

The Samson option.....One can spend hours with hypothetical’s…….

It's not all that hypothetical if Iran gets nukes.

Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former president of Iran, has threatened Israel with nuclear destruction, boasting that an attack would kill as many as five million Jews. Rafsanjani estimated that even if Israel retaliated by dropping its own nuclear bombs, Iran would probably lose only fifteen million people, which he said would be a small "sacrifice" from among the billion Muslims in the world.

It's worth noting he lost the 2005 election to Ahmadinejad - and was considered the MODERATE in that election.

[Guest Derek L]

if every country went to war over covert attacks the whole planet would be wiped out

now answer my damn question

does it make sense for iran to retaliate against israel and give israel the go ahead to take out irans nuclear programme?

Another contradiction……….Israel doesn’t need Iran’s “go ahead” to “take out” Iran’s nuclear program, especially, as suggested by yourself, that they (Israel) has already started the process…….

[Guest Derek L]

I don't.

But I still believe they will not use them unless for self defence.

And just for the record there is only one country that has used nukes against another(civilian too not military).

WWWTT

There’s nothing to say that Iran couldn’t be number two…..

[Argus]

Israel and Iran both do their fair share of violating human rights

I make no excuses for that kind of treatment

You miss the point. Given Iran is a country which routinely tortures, rapes and murders people, that is, which has no concerns whatsoever about human rights abuses, how can anyone say the Iranians are outraged at the way the Israelis treat Palestinians?

[Argus]

Whilst you bring up all these horror stories about Zahra Kazemi and the thirteen year old girl I hope you don't just take a one sided view you also appreciate the fact that there distibguished people like Shirin Ebadi and many others within the Iranian society that are fighting really hard for human rights issues. It's very easy to take a brush and call them all "uncivilised muslims" which is what I have seen here by many posters.

I'm talking about the Iranian government, not the Iranian people.